How much is in the pot...?

[tikay]

Places I've played, some players have rummaged through the pot and physically counted it!  It has been pointed out to them that they can't do that though.

Come the revolution, when I'm King, anyone who so much as TOUCHES the chips when they've crossed the line will be first against the wall. (Copyright, Radiohead).

Me, I'd just chop their hands off.

ONLY the Dealer - EVER - should touch the pot. When the chips cross the line, they ain't yours any more.

[PocketLady]

Yeah this is the rule pretty much anywhere, never understood the reasons though

[celtic]

My next question then, is why isn't this rule enforced anywhere else?  In fact, in my limited live experience, I've never seen it implemented anywhere other than dtd.  Is it purely a matter of training and adherence to rules by the dealers?

It is enforced everywhere ive played

it is certainly enforced in Luton!!!!
Like I've said, I've not played much live poker.  It certainly hasn't been enforced when I've played at Luton or Cardiff though.

[tikay]

Yeah this is the rule pretty much anywhere, never understood the reasons though

Because the chips "in the middle" don't belong to you, & once players are permittted to mess with the Pot, it can lead to dealer confusion & chip-palming.

[tikay]

The "don't EVER touch the chips" Rule is enforced fairly rigidly at Luton G, & 100% rigidly at DTD. As it should be.

[kinboshi]

My next question then, is why isn't this rule enforced anywhere else?  In fact, in my limited live experience, I've never seen it implemented anywhere other than dtd.  Is it purely a matter of training and adherence to rules by the dealers?

It is enforced everywhere ive played

it is certainly enforced in Luton!!!!
Like I've said, I've not played much live poker.  It certainly hasn't been enforced when I've played at Luton or Cardiff though.

I've only played at Luton in an APAT tournament and at the blonde Bash.  Maybe the dealers weren't from Luton, but the rule certainly wasn't enforced. 

[kinboshi]

Yeah this is the rule pretty much anywhere, never understood the reasons though

Because the chips "in the middle" don't belong to you, & once players are permittted to mess with the Pot, it can lead to dealer confusion & chip-palming.

I think she might have been referring to the original point in my post.

[tikay]

My next question then, is why isn't this rule enforced anywhere else?  In fact, in my limited live experience, I've never seen it implemented anywhere other than dtd.  Is it purely a matter of training and adherence to rules by the dealers?

It is enforced everywhere ive played

it is certainly enforced in Luton!!!!
Like I've said, I've not played much live poker.  It certainly hasn't been enforced when I've played at Luton or Cardiff though.

I've only played at Luton in an APAT tournament and at the blonde Bash.  Maybe the dealers weren't from Luton, but the rule certainly wasn't enforced. 

Then, no, now, yes. New Dealers, freshly (& properly) trained. Luton is working on these things, & making good progress.

[tikay]

Yeah this is the rule pretty much anywhere, never understood the reasons though

Because the chips "in the middle" don't belong to you, & once players are permittted to mess with the Pot, it can lead to dealer confusion & chip-palming.

I think she might have been referring to the original point in my post.

My apologies, if so.

Why is it not enforced elsewhere? Because we don't have uniform rules, or standard Dealer codes of Best Practice. And because many Venues just don't care about these things.

[Grier78]

I am always aware of the size of the pot before I put any chips in and after that its just basic arithmatic. But how can you bet 3/4 pot if you don't know whats in the middle.

I have noticed a number of players making big mistakes with their bet sizes because they don't know whats in the pot, and if they can't be bothered to follow the action then more advantage to me.

[Longy]

If your anywhere near half with it and able to add up, you should know/be able to work out what is in the pot. Alas alot of live players seem to like one or both of these attributes.

[tikay]

If your anywhere near half with it and able to add up, you should know/be able to work out what is in the pot. Alas alot of live players seem to like one or both of these attributes.

It's t'internet wots to blame, where it's done for them.

It's like learning maths with a calculator - it's not learning maths at all, simply how to work a piece of electrical equipment.

Step aside - I've got my moaning hat on tonight.

[Karabiner]

I think many of the dealers who announce the size of the pot do so in order to speed up the games which used to all be pot-limit, and it was very helpful when that was the case.

That is the way they were trained, and they have not been re-trained to deal no-limit.

[M3boy]

I think many of the dealers who announce the size of the pot do so in order to speed up the games which used to all be pot-limit, and it was very helpful when that was the case.

That is the way they were trained, and they have not been re-trained to deal no-limit.

I agree.

They (alot of them) also stack the chips between streets, and stack them when collecting in bets and paying out the pot - wates time imo

Its a pet hate of mine.

Another one is when two people are all in they insist on matching the stacks, complete waste of time cos if the person with clearly more chips wins, there is no need to do any counting of chips.

[TightEnd]

My next question then, is why isn't this rule enforced anywhere else?  In fact, in my limited live experience, I've never seen it implemented anywhere other than dtd.  Is it purely a matter of training and adherence to rules by the dealers?

It is enforced everywhere ive played

Like I've said, I've not played much live poker.  It certainly hasn't been enforced when I've played at Luton or Cardiff though.

It should be, the Luton staff are trained correctly, not to answer when asked for size of pots..and yes they also stack pots "down the streets", its they way they are trained