Who's Right?

[MANTIS01]

Unless it's a specific house rule you don't have to announce anything at all. Pushing chips across the bet line is....err, your bet. Personally I don't announce my action because this is an extra bit of info your oppos may use against you to get a tell. Some casinos like Star City in Birmingham insist upon announcing action, but they are so inconsistent in enforcing this that the rule is paper thin. The point of announcing is to make your intentions clear and unambiguous to other players.

If you say "Raise" and put more chips in than the previous player I can't see how that can be misinterpreted by anyone.

[dealerFROMhell]

Best one i've had.

Donk - "I raise the pot"

Me - "Err... It's no-limit mate"

Donk - "Your a dealer, tell me how much is in the pot, I want to raise that much"

Me - "......................................................................What planet do you come from?"

[Dingdell]

If you took this to the logical conclusion, then someone putting in a 4th raise (uncommon but it happens) would be saying "I re-re-re-raise." It would be redonkulous having to announce this so feel free to stick your thumb on the end of your nose, wiggle fingers and say nah nah na nah nah in traditional victorious fashion as you are right.

Any other interpretation is just re-re-re-tarded.

I think this should be a rule and if you get your 'reraises' announcement wrong you have to take a drink. Bring it in at the  next APAT event. 

[Karabiner]

Also, if anyone opens the betting by announcing "raise" when he/she is in fact "betting", this action should be deemed void and penalties should be imposed at the TD's discretion.

[Royal Flush]

Best one i've had.

Donk - "I raise the pot"

Me - "Err... It's no-limit mate"

Donk - "Your a dealer, tell me how much is in the pot, I want to raise that much"

Me - "......................................................................What planet do you come from?"

Seriously, that's the best you have had?

[boldie]

Best one i've had.

Donk - "I raise the pot"

Me - "Err... It's no-limit mate"

Donk - "Your a dealer, tell me how much is in the pot, I want to raise that much"

Me - "......................................................................What planet do you come from?"

Seriously, that's the best you have had?

 

[dealerFROMhell]

Best one i've had.

Donk - "I raise the pot"

Me - "Err... It's no-limit mate"

Donk - "Your a dealer, tell me how much is in the pot, I want to raise that much"

Me - "......................................................................What planet do you come from?"

Seriously, that's the best you have had?

Apart from your Mum, yeah

[Robert HM]

Count to ten James

[tikay]

Best one i've had.

Donk - "I raise the pot"

Me - "Err... It's no-limit mate"

Donk - "Your a dealer, tell me how much is in the pot, I want to raise that much"

Me - "......................................................................What planet do you come from?"

Seriously, that's the best you have had?

Apart from your Mum, yeah

Please refrain from such comments on blonde Forum.

We know it happens in Online Poker Chat Boxes, but this is a Poker Forum, & we'd rather not see such stuff here please.

Thanks.

[Laxie]

For this one, chip counts don't matter a toss.

SB
BB
Fold
Fold
'Raise' to blah blah...make em up as ya like, but treble the blinds was the raise.
Fold
Fold
This guy says 'Raise' and trebles the original 'raise' bet to 9 times the blinds
Fold

Original raising guy calls the extra, but isn't happy.  Says second guy should have said 're-raise', but being a 'friendly' game for only €10 buy in, he got no back up to his argument.   

Second guy wins the pot when all is said and done.

When the hand is over, original raising dude gets his knickers in a twist because second guy only said 'raise' and not 're-raise'  He reckons the other guy's play was only a call first day.

Discuss.............. 

[Laxie]

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...same place, different day, different story:

Final table.  3 players left.

SB  10k

BB  20k

Button goes all in for 21k

Argument 1 - If SB or BB want to play they must put in 40k because guy with 21k raised, but didn't have enough to make a full raise.  When they phoned me, I said they only had to put in the 21k.  If they chose to make a raise, they were still entitled to because they had yet to act.  Someone else said the only way SB or BB were allowed to play was if they put in minimum of 40k (blinds + balance of proper raise).  Who's right? 

Next case/argument - Blinds are 2k/4k.  Limp fest pre.  Flop SB Check, BB Check next to act bet 10k next guy goes all in for 15k.  Next guy wants to make a raise and is told he can't because the all in guy couldn't double the 10k bet made previous and the most anyone is entitled to do until the turn is flat call the 15k.  When the turn comes down it's betting as normal unless the situation happens again where someone re-raises with less than double the initial turn bet.  They didn't phone me for this one on the night, but it was brought up last night after the first ruling was made.  Since I didn't have to make a ruling this one then and there, I said I'd put it to ye.

Last, but certainly not least - Please give a clear explanation of an under-raise and when does that ruling come into effect?

Printing the whole blinking lot out for them and this time EVERYONE will be reading it, not just the owner of the pub. 

Cheers!

[boldie]

Argument 1, you are right 21k is what needs to be called. If they raise they have to of course raise to the minimum amount of 40k.

Argumet 2, anyone who has not acted in the hand can raise however much they want.

Under raise comes into effect when the next guy who wants to raise has already acted in the hand.

Say player A bets 10k and player B moves all in for 15k, Player C can raise however much he wants as he's not been involved yet.
Say player C calls. Player A can now only call the 5k as he has already acted before.

[Grier78]

Once a player has bet, raised or called they may only raise again if the betting is reopened by a full raise being made by any subsequent player.

In the case of an under raise this does not reopen the betting and players may only call or fold to this raise.

The amount of the under raise is not taken into consideration when calculating the next minimum raise.

Edit: Unclear passage removed.

[doubleup]

What constitutes an under raise and a full raise varies depending on where you play. Usually an under raise can be anything between 1 chip less than a full raise and 1 chip less than half a full raise. Consequently a full raise could be anything from half a normal raise and the usual full raise.

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This is bollocks and anyone holding this out to be a rule is an idiot who has not bothered to do any research.  In nl an under-raise is any bet less than a minimum raise.  It is that and only that.  Get very angry with anyone who says anything else.

In all situations if an under-raise is treated for further action purposes like a call, it makes life simple.

[boldie]

What constitutes an under raise and a full raise varies depending on where you play. Usually an under raise can be anything between 1 chip less than a full raise and 1 chip less than half a full raise. Consequently a full raise could be anything from half a normal raise and the usual full raise.

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This is bollocks and anyone holding this out to be a rule is an idiot who has not bothered to do any research.  In nl an under-raise is any bet less than a minimum raise.  It is that and only that.  Get very angry with anyone who says anything else.

In all situations if an under-raise is treated for further action purposes like a call, it makes life simple.

agree completely