A river over-call

[TightEnd]

£300 DTD Monthly


150-300

Mad Turk, any two from any position, in cut off  15,000

Young lady, SB, passive nut peddler 9,000

You, BB 15,000 


Three to the flop after Mad Turk limp and blinds complete/check

Flop of  is checked round

Turn  to give you the straight on a rainbow board

You bet 700 into 900

Mad Turk makes it 1,400

SB calls

You? call with a view to value betting river but wondering about the SB call of a re-raise OOP

5,100 in the pot

River  , a blank


You see Mad Turk picking up chips, you check to let him make the action (possible check raise if SB passes)

He bets 4,000

SB insta calls 4,000 (very odd I thought at the time)

Should you with the second nuts be over-calling here?

[TheChipPrince]

Your ahead of the small blind obviously, who 95% of the time has an 8 here... With the extra chips she's put into the pot I think its more than worth a raise as you only lose to KQ. If turk has KQ very unlucky, if its justthe two of you in pot (SB folds pre) I could understand just a call...

[byronkincaid]

Your ahead of the small blind obviously, who 95% of the time has an 8 here... With the extra chips she's put into the pot I think its more than worth a raise as you only lose to KQ. If turk has KQ very unlucky, if its justthe two of you in pot (SB folds pre) I could understand just a call...

which worse hands call?

[TightEnd]

nit alert here, I never considered raising here

 


yes sb has an 8 you would think

but if I raise no hand can call me except KQ right?

[TheChipPrince]

nit alert here, I never considered raising here

 


yes sb has an 8 you would think

but if I raise no hand can call me except KQ right?

Surely the SB hasnt made a Barney Boatman style flat call with the nuts hoping for a raise behind?!  SB has KQ not realising she has the nuts?!


My intial reaction of raising was based on the fact that I dont think turk would min-raise the turn with the stone cold nuts

[boldie]

I don't know Turk..but his min raise on the turn into someone with Tighty's mage makes me think anything other than a flat call here bleeding chips. he could have KQ and played it nicely bu with SB calling I think you're getting value to just have a look here and call.


edit*...man that makes me sound weak passive.

[doubleup]

If turk is capable of bluffing, you could min raise to give him the chance, but you have to risk all your chips.  I doubt the lady calls a raise as it just about puts her out of the comp. 

If you had the bare 8, would you consider a "bluff" allin?

[MANTIS01]

Turk is a quality player. He is loose yes, but sharp with it....so I don't think you catch him picking up chips with the nuts before the action gets to him. YOU notice him doing this and decide to let him make the action. This would be bad play if he had K-Q so I don't think that fits. The young lady sb calls quickly because she has a hand good enough to call this bet but wants to get to showdown quickly and see.....because she doesn't have the absolutes. If you push she may call with a straight and I think Turk will fold.

[TheChipPrince]

fill us in Tighty...

[Rookie (Rodney)]

If you want to know the result read the update thread..

[Longy]

Erm what im a missing here, how comes our chips aren't in the middle. The sb doesn't have kq here surely so we are only worried about mad turk right?

I would just shove looking to get a crying call from either with an 8, most likely from the sb.

Oh and never ever,ever pass.

[AlexMartin]

Erm what im a missing here, how comes our chips aren't in the middle. The sb doesn't have kq here surely so we are only worried about mad turk right?

I would just shove looking to get a crying call from either with an 8, most likely from the sb.

Oh and never ever,ever pass.

my thoughts exactly, you got the chips in the middle, now you shove, really dont get this tighty. People call with 8's here. Chances of him having KQ<Chances of getting called by an 8=jam.

[Royal Flush]

I have actually been on tilt all day after reading this post this afternoon.

To not jam this you have to put mad turk, a loose aggressive lunatic, on KQ. Does mad turk limp from the cutoff with KQ that often? Does he check a J9x board against 2 nits when its checked to him?

Just realised this is a windup.

WP Tighty.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

I have actually been on tilt all day after reading this post this afternoon.

To not jam this you have to put mad turk, a loose aggressive lunatic, on KQ. Does mad turk limp from the cutoff with KQ that often? Does he check a J9x board against 2 nits when its checked to him?

Just realised this is a windup.

WP Tighty.

lol yeah my chips would be in asap... tighty is one of the only players who wouldnt go broke here, and i dont think that is necessarily good!

From reading the updates i believe Mad Turk actually had KQ and Tighty just flat called the river.

[TheChipPrince]

I couldnt find it on the updates, what did SB have?