(another) is the hand dead

[turny]

The general rule is that you can no longer create action e.g. bet and raise...but you CAN call your oppos bets should you desire. Once again this changes from casino to casino. In self dealt tournaments just request a ruling from the TD if you are unsure.

mantis isright here in most casinos.

you cannot make action only call or fold from here on til the end of the hand

[350z]

The general rule is that you can no longer create action e.g. bet and raise...but you CAN call your oppos bets should you desire. Once again this changes from casino to casino. In self dealt tournaments just request a ruling from the TD if you are unsure.

mantis isright here in most casinos.

you cannot make action only call or fold from here on til the end of the hand

thats what i thought at the time or thats what i would have liked to happen, i have to spoken to a couple of members on here about it at the time it happened and what i should have done is called the manager there and then, i will know for next somethin like this happens, i know 1 thing i want be showing my cards again in a casino you live and learn eh.

[turny]

yep you sure do.

my first time in a casino was the old grossvenor luton and to cut a long story short i raised up with my AA and the person next to me folded her cards on top of mine!
obviously i was distraught to be told my hand was dead but it was my own fault for not protecting my hand, luckily for me the nice people at the table let me take my raise back.
nowdays my cards are always protected with a chip.

[boldie]

yep you sure do.

my first time in a casino was the old grossvenor luton and to cut a long story short i raised up with my AA and the person next to me folded her cards on top of mine!
obviously i was distraught to be told my hand was dead but it was my own fault for not protecting my hand, luckily for me the nice people at the table let me take my raise back.
nowdays my cards are always protected with a chip.

that's why they have women's only tournaments these days. 

[owen1923]

The hand should never have been called dead.

Exposing your cards when heads up is not an offense in tournament poker, in fact some players do it to try to get a read on opponents when considering whether to call a big bet or not.

The outcome should have been that you were no longer able to lead any action, only having the facility to call your opponents bets or fold.

One day we will have a set of rules by which all cardrooms will abide, removing all the confusion which currently surrounds most of the day to day situations we find ourselves in when playing live.



GL

[turny]

One day we will have a set of rules by which all cardrooms will abide, removing all the confusion which currently surrounds most of the day to day situations we find ourselves in when playing live.



GL
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i wouldnt hold my breath if i were you!

[dino1980]

Mantis, ITB etc are correct. There was infact a hand that occured a bit like this in the recent GUKPT in Walsall - which i've cut and pasted below, original words by Floppy.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, here's one to get your heads around.

Dharminder Buttar button raises and Graham Clarkson says, "Call." But Buttar thinks he's said fold and turns over pocket Eights.

A ruling is called for, and it's decided the hand can continue but, Buttar can only call from now on.

   

Graham bets 19k and Dharminder calls.

 

Graham now moves all-in and Dharminder quickly calls with the Eights. Graham flips    but the river is the  . Graham sees it first and shouts, "Straight!" in pure disbelief, then shoves all his chips towards Buttar before leaving the table.

Nik Persaud says, "I've not seen such magic since I went to see David Blaine...Other people know exactly what you have and yet you still win the pot!"

[Royal Flush]

Mantis, ITB etc are correct. There was infact a hand that occured a bit like this in the recent GUKPT in Walsall - which i've cut and pasted below, original words by Floppy.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, here's one to get your heads around.

Dharminder Buttar button raises and Graham Clarkson says, "Call." But Buttar thinks he's said fold and turns over pocket Eights.

A ruling is called for, and it's decided the hand can continue but, Buttar can only call from now on.

   

Graham bets 19k and Dharminder calls.

 

Graham now moves all-in and Dharminder quickly calls with the Eights. Graham flips    but the river is the  . Graham sees it first and shouts, "Straight!" in pure disbelief, then shoves all his chips towards Buttar before leaving the table.

Nik Persaud says, "I've not seen such magic since I went to see David Blaine...Other people know exactly what you have and yet you still win the pot!"

How bad is that turn Jam!!!

[I KNOW IT]

Mantis, ITB etc are correct. There was infact a hand that occured a bit like this in the recent GUKPT in Walsall - which i've cut and pasted below, original words by Floppy.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, here's one to get your heads around.

Dharminder Buttar button raises and Graham Clarkson says, "Call." But Buttar thinks he's said fold and turns over pocket Eights.

A ruling is called for, and it's decided the hand can continue but, Buttar can only call from now on.

   

Graham bets 19k and Dharminder calls.

 

Graham now moves all-in and Dharminder quickly calls with the Eights. Graham flips    but the river is the  . Graham sees it first and shouts, "Straight!" in pure disbelief, then shoves all his chips towards Buttar before leaving the table.

Nik Persaud says, "I've not seen such magic since I went to see David Blaine...Other people know exactly what you have and yet you still win the pot!"

That rule is used in Grosvenors ,its not universal
The guy who deemed it dead is an angle shooter, nothing more. I bet he loves to pounce on the string bettors too

[I KNOW IT]

Mantis, ITB etc are correct. There was infact a hand that occured a bit like this in the recent GUKPT in Walsall - which i've cut and pasted below, original words by Floppy.

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, here's one to get your heads around.

Dharminder Buttar button raises and Graham Clarkson says, "Call." But Buttar thinks he's said fold and turns over pocket Eights.

A ruling is called for, and it's decided the hand can continue but, Buttar can only call from now on.

   

Graham bets 19k and Dharminder calls.

 

Graham now moves all-in and Dharminder quickly calls with the Eights. Graham flips    but the river is the  . Graham sees it first and shouts, "Straight!" in pure disbelief, then shoves all his chips towards Buttar before leaving the table.

Nik Persaud says, "I've not seen such magic since I went to see David Blaine...Other people know exactly what you have and yet you still win the pot!"

How bad is that turn Jam!!!

Exactly what I told his mate who I was sitting next to in the 300 tourny. He agreed also

[Grier78]

Just to be pedantic, if the guy who was on the BB was actually UTG then the fact that he still had cards meant that he might want to respond to your raise. Best thing to do is to keep your cards until either the dealer pushes you the pot or instructs you to show.

[TEX FITZ]

when you turned your cards over were they directly in front of you, or (like i see many times) FLIPPED them over to land face-up next to your chips - over the line. Then some would argue that you voluntary mucked your cards