Have I made a mistake here ?

[jpean]

Here is the hand report

PokerStars Game #16039596884:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/03/17 - 05:10:44 (ET)
Table 'Eurymedon II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jaco527 ($12.58 in chips)
Seat 2: Da "Jerk" ($3.69 in chips)
Seat 3: jennababy1 ($14.03 in chips)
Seat 4: flopo2007 ($6.70 in chips)
Seat 5: el_tiradito ($6.24 in chips)
Seat 6: julienfetus ($12.57 in chips)
Seat 7: CAPTN H0WDY ($5.76 in chips)
Seat 8: Chronicguy ($3.62 in chips)
Seat 9: Karen668 ($9.93 in chips)
jennababy1: posts small blind $0.02
flopo2007: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to julienfetus [ ]
el_tiradito: raises $0.10 to $0.15
julienfetus: calls $0.15
CAPTN H0WDY: calls $0.15
Chronicguy: folds
Karen668: raises $0.35 to $0.50
jaco527: folds
Da "Jerk": folds
jennababy1: folds
Chronicguy is sitting out
flopo2007: folds
el_tiradito: calls $0.35
julienfetus: calls $0.35
CAPTN H0WDY: calls $0.35
*** FLOP *** [ ]
el_tiradito: checks
julienfetus: bets $1
CAPTN H0WDY: folds
Karen668: raises $2 to $3
el_tiradito: folds
julienfetus: raises $9.07 to $12.07 and is all-in
Karen668: calls $6.43 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
julienfetus: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Karen668: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Jacks)
Karen668 collected $19.93 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.93 | Rake $1
Board [ ]
Seat 1: jaco527 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Da "Jerk" (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jennababy1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: flopo2007 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: el_tiradito folded on the Flop
Seat 6: julienfetus showed [ ] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 7: CAPTN H0WDY folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Chronicguy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Karen668 showed [ ] and won ($19.93) with three of a kind, Jacks

Can I be criticize here ? Should I re-re-raise her ?

Is it the kind of unavoidable bad beats ?

[EvilPie]

There's no escape here unless you're some kind of poker god.

Maybe in a tournament you could get away if you're ultra tight and have got a good read but in cash there's just no way.

Unlucky

[boldie]

Just unlucky my friend. I never ever fold bottom set here.

[LeKnave]

cooler. just unlucky.

[bhoywonder]

as the guys said

u played ok

just unlucky,that happens

[jpean]

In fact, I knew her range... she only could have JJ, QQ, or KK (or AA)... but, even knowing that, I moved in hoping she didn't have what she had cause in the Phil Gordon's book, I remember he say (sorry I've it in French) something like :
"When I flop a set, I don't never mind if someone has a better one. that's happens one time to 100, so with that odd, I'm happy to risk everything"

But even knowing that, I knew her range... so the decision was hardier...

[boldie]

In fact, I knew her range... she only could have JJ, QQ, or KK (or AA)... but, even knowing that, I moved in hoping she didn't have what she had cause in the Phil Gordon's book, I remember he say (sorry I've it in French) something like :
"When I flop a set, I never mind if someone has a better one. that's happens one time to 100, so with that odd, I'm happy to risk everything"

But even knowing that, I knew her range... so the decision was hardier...

you put her on 4 diferent hands..only 1 of them kills you..that means you still have to put your chips in the middle. Your man Gordon was right.

[jpean]

Ok, I understand what you mean...

thanks guys !

[geeforce1]

There's no escape here unless you're some kind of poker god.

Maybe in a tournament you could get away if you're ultra tight and have got a good read but in cash there's just no way.

Unlucky

i think this theory is flawed. in a tourny the blind structure increases the pressure on chips, therefore IMO you must be more willing to go with your hand (u are killing his range). the days of tourny chips being precious are long gone. although in this case my chips would be long gone, cash or MTT

[jpean]

There's no escape here unless you're some kind of poker god.

Maybe in a tournament you could get away if you're ultra tight and have got a good read but in cash there's just no way.

Unlucky

i think this theory is flawed. in a tourny the blind structure increases the pressure on chips, therefore IMO you must be more willing to go with your hand (u are killing his range). the days of tourny chips being precious are long gone. although in this case my chips would be long gone, cash or MTT

I think it depends if you are at the begining or at a more advenced level of the MTT... at the begining, folding is possible IMO, but when blinds are big, I never fold that in MTT except MAYBE at the bubble if I'm covered...

[geeforce1]

There's no escape here unless you're some kind of poker god.

Maybe in a tournament you could get away if you're ultra tight and have got a good read but in cash there's just no way.

Unlucky

i think this theory is flawed. in a tourny the blind structure increases the pressure on chips, therefore IMO you must be more willing to go with your hand (u are killing his range). the days of tourny chips being precious are long gone. although in this case my chips would be long gone, cash or MTT

I think it depends if you are at the begining or at a more advenced level of the MTT... at the begining, folding is possible IMO, but when blinds are big, I never fold that in MTT except MAYBE at the bubble if I'm covered...

again not my philosophy. at the bubble Vs someone that has you covered (esp if they have a lot more chips) their range becomes wider. but i do agree that earlier on hands are more foldable.

[EvilPie]

There's no escape here unless you're some kind of poker god.

Maybe in a tournament you could get away if you're ultra tight and have got a good read but in cash there's just no way.

Unlucky

i think this theory is flawed. in a tourny the blind structure increases the pressure on chips, therefore IMO you must be more willing to go with your hand (u are killing his range). the days of tourny chips being precious are long gone. although in this case my chips would be long gone, cash or MTT

I covered myself by saying maybe. I don't think I'd have got away from it. It'd have to be a very slow structure tournament (2 days, 45/60 min blinds) early stages to get away but even then I'd struggle to find a reason. I think I'd be more scared of the 9, 10 for the straight than the other trips, you just don't see it that often.

I do think my tournament chips are precious though. I'm not giving them up without a fight 

[AlexMartin]

In fact, I knew her range... she only could have JJ, QQ, or KK (or AA)... but, even knowing that, I moved in hoping she didn't have what she had cause in the Phil Gordon's book, I remember he say (sorry I've it in French) something like :
"When I flop a set, I don't never mind if someone has a better one. that's happens one time to 100, so with that odd, I'm happy to risk everything"

But even knowing that, I knew her range... so the decision was hardier...

well played jp, nice hand reading skills just unlucky with the result.
 

Bear in mind that 4-way they might not be inclined to overplay an overpair as much, which lightens QQ/KK from their range.  People still play aces like theres no tomorrow however.

[jpean]

well played jp, nice hand reading skills just unlucky with the result.

Thx... but that is exactly what is sometimes annoying in poker : well playing and loosing... (hopefully not always !)

[mondatoo]

Would every1 be folding qq or kk on this flop don't think i would be.By reading your 2 pha topics it seems you are doubting your play when both times you just got clod deck and unless your super super tight you aint folding.