Fish?

[Laxie]

I'm trying to learn Omaha.  After reading something Tikay posted regarding lessons with Dingdell, I've done a little bit better lately.  4 hands from the 4 cards - or I fold...except this one. 

Re-buy period of the tourney.  I had seen some shocking play that had me tilting a bit.  After bleeding chips to the madness, I decided to say 'feck it and play this one strong pre flop in hopes of getting some of the limpers out.  I was called a fish when the hand was over.  I almost agree pre flop, but after: 

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Soooooooooooo...am I a fish and why?  lol

[KarmaDope]

In a word, no. You're probably ahead on every street, I'm not sure of the exact numbers...

[doubleup]

In a word, no. You're probably ahead on every street, I'm not sure of the exact numbers...

I can't read the HH very well but doesnt the last player have a set and a higher flush draw?

[KarmaDope]

In a word, no. You're probably ahead on every street, I'm not sure of the exact numbers...

I can't read the HH very well but doesnt the last player have a set and a higher flush draw?

Neither can I, I missed that...oops!

[Laxie]

phival23 (4,295) SB  20
zeus18  (4,280)  BB  40
A to Z  (3,210)  call (40)  Call (180)   
ntacaks  (5,965)  Call (40)  call (180)
5Laxie  (2,460)  raise (220)  holding...wait for it...lol   
VIPstephenVIPpadd  (1,390)  fold
Dauvilliers  (1,440)  call (220)   

Flop

 

A to Z  check
ntacaks  check
5Laxie  bet 940
Dauvilliers  all in 1,220
A to Z  call 1,220
ntacaks  fold
5Laxie  call 280

Turn
 

A to Z  check
5Laxie  all in 1,020
A to Z  call 1,020

River...the loverly    sealing the str8 flush for me and the name tag of fish.   

[GlasgowBandit]

I think the trouble with your hand is that on the flop your drawing thin to a straight.  I would prefer to check the flop and then get the chips in on the turn when you gave made the nut straight.

I don't think you are getting rid of matey with his 8 Q 8 J he has flopped top set 3rd nut flush draw and he has been given a gut shot on the turn.  Not sure that you ever get him to pass that at the lower limits.

Fold pre.
Check flop
get it in on the turn.

[doubleup]

Anyway, one of the problems with omaha that I'm wrestling with a bit is this kind of situation where a "freak" holding by your opponent makes a hand that should normally be just a bit ahead/bit behind into a big dog.  I'm just trying to work out whether they are just coolers or if they can be avoided given the available info.  

It's probably just unfortunate in a tournament - I cant see the exact chips, but I assume that you didn't have a huge amount behind, but I think it is quite an important consideration in cash games when quite deep.

[Royal Flush]

I think the trouble with your hand is that on the flop your drawing thin to a straight.  I would prefer to check the flop and then get the chips in on the turn when you gave made the nut straight.

I don't think you are getting rid of matey with his 8 Q 8 J he has flopped top set 3rd nut flush draw and he has been given a gut shot on the turn.  Not sure that you ever get him to pass that at the lower limits.

Fold pre.
Check flop
get it in on the turn.

Fold pre with AAxx?

As for making someone pass top set and a fd, which levels are they going to do this at?

[GlasgowBandit]

I think the trouble with your hand is that on the flop your drawing thin to a straight.  I would prefer to check the flop and then get the chips in on the turn when you gave made the nut straight.

I don't think you are getting rid of matey with his 8 Q 8 J he has flopped top set 3rd nut flush draw and he has been given a gut shot on the turn.  Not sure that you ever get him to pass that at the lower limits.

Fold pre.
Check flop
get it in on the turn.

Fold pre with AAxx?

As for making someone pass top set and a fd, which levels are they going to do this at?

Why wouldn't you fold AAXX pre?

Afterall its only a pair and sure to be behind to many holdings.  If one of the Aces where suited perhaps you could make a case for carrying on. 

I don't expect anyone to pass top set and the fd on the flop but certainly they can on the turn

[Royal Flush]

Why wouldn't you fold AAXX pre?

Afterall its only a pair and sure to be behind to many holdings.  If one of the Aces where suited perhaps you could make a case for carrying on. 

I don't expect anyone to pass top set and the fd on the flop but certainly they can on the turn

True, most people play too many hands pre, really you should only play if you have a straight or better pre.


Only really really bad players will pass top set and a flush draw on the turn.

[GlasgowBandit]

Why wouldn't you fold AAXX pre?

Afterall its only a pair and sure to be behind to many holdings.  If one of the Aces where suited perhaps you could make a case for carrying on. 

I don't expect anyone to pass top set and the fd on the flop but certainly they can on the turn

True, most people play too many hands pre, really you should only play if you have a straight or better pre.


Only really really bad players will pass top set and a flush draw on the turn.

How do you play the hand from start to finish then?

[Royal Flush]

Exactly the same as Laxie

[AlexMartin]

oooooh, this hand is fun. you can justify getting it in Laxie, hardly fishy.

[RichEO]

You have raised with AA and hit as good a flop as you can expect. You have to fire a continuation bet out. And at least you have backup if you run into a hand.

The only other way this hand would have been to not raise pre flop. Once you have done, you are comitted. There is a case for never raising aces pre flop, although that makes more sense in a cash game.

KK62 is by far the fish in this hand.

[Royal Flush]

Why would you never raise AAxx pre ?