Raking uncalled bets!!

[PocketLady]

I visited a casino last night where I noticed something strange going on with the raking in the cash games.  The rake itself seemed very reasonable and was 5% capped at £5.  But then I noticed that for some reason, they rake all uncalled bets, as well as what is already in the pot.  So for example, if there is £5 in the pot, and for whatever reason someone moves all in on the flop for £100 and everyone folds, the whole of the £5 that was already in the pot would be taken as rake.  This also creates other problems, and I asked about this too.  Say two players are heads up in a pot and player A has £100 and the player B has £50.  If player A announces all in for £100 and player B folds, the whole of the £100 is raked, even though player B could only have called £50 if he had wanted to.  However, if player A had said "I'll put you all in" and player B folds, only £50 of it would be raked.  This is totally ridiculous.

I spoke to the card room manager about this, but then decided to take it higher up and spoke to one of the managers who has said he will speak to the general manager about it.  But I just wanted to know if anyone had ever heard of this anywhere else.  It seems completely completely stupid from where I am sitting and will only kill all the cash games in the long run as no one will be able to beat the rake.

[M3boy]

I have always been told that "i put you all in" is NOT a proper bet and hense does NOT count.

[Royal Flush]

5% rake is a joke anyway


Where is this?

[KarmaDope]

I've definitely never heard of this.

When I was in Ireland dealing at the IPO last year, I was told that you raked what was in the pot and uncalled bets were never ever added to the pot.

[boldie]

sigh..no flop, no drop..it's the only way a place should do things.

[PocketLady]

It's still no flop no rake, but even so...

[boldie]

sorry my bad..so where was this?

[PocketLady]

It was at an otherwise very good casino.  I've intentionally not named them because I feel I owe them some loyalty.  I normally have a very good relationship with them.  I have since been promised that it will be reviewed and changes will be made very shortly.  If they aren't made I'll quite happily publically tell blonde who it is, as I think poker players need to be protected from situations where people seem to be determined to suck as much money out of poker as is humanly possible.

[doubleup]

Just point out to them that an uncalled bet isn't in the pot and is the property of the player, so shouldn't be raked.

btw - to flushy, I think 5% capped at £5 is reasonable for a dealer game uk casino, given some of the nonsense figures bandied about.

[Royal Flush]

Just point out to them that an uncalled bet isn't in the pot and is the property of the player, so shouldn't be raked.

btw - to flushy, I think 5% capped at £5 is reasonable for a dealer game uk casino, given some of the nonsense figures bandied about.

Yeah prob, i have never played a raked cash game in the UK (except in illegal venues) so don't know the rate, if those are the rates then i am glad the venues i play in are still table charges!

[actionjack]

Just point out to them that an uncalled bet isn't in the pot and is the property of the player, so shouldn't be raked.

btw - to flushy, I think 5% capped at £5 is reasonable for a dealer game uk casino, given some of the nonsense figures bandied about.

Yeah prob, i have never played a raked cash game in the UK (except in illegal venues) so don't know the rate, if those are the rates then i am glad the venues i play in are still table charges!

visit lots of "illegal venues" in search of grannies do you ?

[Royal Flush]

Just point out to them that an uncalled bet isn't in the pot and is the property of the player, so shouldn't be raked.

btw - to flushy, I think 5% capped at £5 is reasonable for a dealer game uk casino, given some of the nonsense figures bandied about.

Yeah prob, i have never played a raked cash game in the UK (except in illegal venues) so don't know the rate, if those are the rates then i am glad the venues i play in are still table charges!

visit lots of "illegal venues" in search of grannies do you ?

Back room of the local bingo hall!

[vegaslover]

No need to that far, they spend all their time in the Rendezvous

[anarchiczen]

Imagine the scene, first time I get up from behind the screen and decide to try bricks and mortar, i pootle off to the local casino, pay my way into a comp and I'm greeted by two of the most friendly and accommodating guys you could possibly meet. They asked me if this was my first time in a live game and offered me a run through of the rules and procedures of a live game, i couldn't have asked for a better and more approachable entry into what is quite an intimidating environment. As the night drew on, a cash game was started, great another window into this world of live poker! at some point, however, the atmosphere changed. Something of a debate had started over the rake... Now I'm not sure, but not since i was eight years old have i truly thought that throwing a tantrum was the way to behave, harassing someone who is clearly not a baby eater, and who has obviously taken the point being made on board, (but was not in a position to do some thing about it there and then), sulking , and then finally walking out in a huff that only a pop diva would have been proud of. Now obviously i don't know if this is the usual way poker players communicate with those who are trying to provide an honest and enjoyable environment for them to play in, but hey, i don't think i was the only one who was thinking, "Grow up, why don't you, you've had your say now play the game".

 

[KarmaDope]

Imagine the scene, first time I get up from behind the screen and decide to try bricks and mortar, i pootle off to the local casino, pay my way into a comp and I'm greeted by two of the most friendly and accommodating guys you could possibly meet. They asked me if this was my first time in a live game and offered me a run through of the rules and procedures of a live game, i couldn't have asked for a better and more approachable entry into what is quite an intimidating environment. As the night drew on, a cash game was started, great another window into this world of live poker! at some point, however, the atmosphere changed. Something of a debate had started over the rake... Now I'm not sure, but not since i was eight years old have i truly thought that throwing a tantrum was the way to behave, harassing someone who is clearly not a baby eater, and who has obviously taken the point being made on board, (but was not in a position to do some thing about it there and then), sulking , and then finally walking out in a huff that only a pop diva would have been proud of. Now obviously i don't know if this is the usual way poker players communicate with those who are trying to provide an honest and enjoyable environment for them to play in, but hey, i don't think i was the only one who was thinking, "Grow up, why don't you, you've had your say now play the game".

 

I'm sorry, are you trying to say that you were at the casino in question that evening, and saw exactly what happened?

If so, then try and explain properly, rather than throwing unsavoury accusations around and such. The OP happens to get on very well with the guys that run the card room, in fact if it wasn't for the OP and other regular players, you wouldn't have had a cash game to play.

The casino in question is a great place for newbies to start out. It's a lovely atmosphere, and the 2 main guys are brilliant at helping internet players make the transition into live poker. You've experienced this, fair enough. However, what you have to consider is that even in a casino like that, some players are trying to earn a living solely from poker. They will take it more seriously. In this case, the OP and the other players who are trying to earn a living, are not able to do so to their full ability because of something that is clearly not right. The manager has admitted it's not right, his boss has also admitted it's not right, and it needs to be changed.

If the OP chooses to leave because of this then that is her choice. It has nothing to do with you. The cardroom manager at that casino encourages their regular players to speak up if there is a problem, and they are well known for actually listening to their customers, something a lot of casinos do not do, so I seriously doubt that the OP was "harassing" somebody, more like getting their point over properly.

Would you have reacted the same way if it was your livelihood affected? I bet you would.

Oh yeah, welcome to Blonde. I'm sure making unsavoury accusations at a well known poster on here was such a good way to start...