DTD Student Dell Rings the Luton Bell

[bobby1]

nice one mate.well played.

[Dingdell]

Blimey - thanks everyone - I was very very chuffed 

Respect to Tikay - excellent railer and coach - suggested I pushed when I was down to 900 chips with anything. Found  , pushed, "well done" say Tikay. Mateyboy calls with    . "Ooops" says Tikay "you didn't want that, I expect I'll get blamed for that". His expert comentary aside I hit a ten and the rest is history.

Final table - great satisfaction in knocking out chip leader who had been a bit mouthy towards me, shaking his hand as he left was reward enough 

Seriously - I have been going to the DTD classes with Paul Jackson and some of it is falling into place. Definitely worth it.

[Dry em]

Next thing we are going to say a flush beats a straight- just like it does at DTD

lol

[Xpressman]

Congratulations Tracey,

You played awesome on Friday , taking out Mouthy with the Straight was the evening highlight, your games in great shape, I was grateful when i moved ALL IN with AK, and you called me in a Flash with KK , enabling me to double up ,when the Ace landed and be part of a very fair chop, (DTD style i'm led to believe).

To be Honest at that time of the Morning i was pleased to do any deal as i was struggling to keep going , Friday at Luton is a real Grind , but rewarding if you cash well and i was pleased to be part of the booty !!,

Only wish i was able to reproduce this in bigger Events in the Festivals , which has always been my Achilles Heel.

Well done again , Big Kiss,

 Xpressman

[Indestructable]

Nice one.
 

[suzanne]

Well done Tracey 

[nirvana]

Good job

[tikay]

does this mean though whenever a comp is chopped in the standard chip count way (used online by stars for the last 5 or 6 years) we have to attribute it to DTD?

Nope, you can call it whatever you wish. I shall call it the DTD Method because it is unique to DTD so far as I am aware.

The DTD Method is NOT the same as the Stars method. I have chopped or "dealt" scores of Stars Tourneys, mainly $200, $500 & $1,000 SNG's, & I had standard arrangements with other Stars regulars in these. We chopped them any way we felt so inclined to, Stars were not consulted or involved, & we used the excellent Stars Money Transfer System (so beloved by the Nipping Brigade) to facilitate this.

I am sure it was used before stars, the chip count method has been around for ages!

Not the way DTD do it, so far as I am aware, but I was referring to Live Poker, not Online Poker.

I call it the DTD Method to differentitate it from other Methods, as only DTD do it a particular way, & this was, for the most part, the Method Tracey used at Luton.

its how ive always chopped comps but i was using stars to say its the standard way not the DTD way.

The Stars way & the DTD way are completely different. There is NO "standard way" to chop Comps. "The DTD way" exactly explains the methodology.

When danny for DTD was at the grosvenor blackpool and they were in their deals arent allowed mode he used to give me the calculator and pen/paper to work out the chip counts.

That stystem was NOT mandatory, not imposed on the players, & differed from the DTD method in several crucial & key ways.

DTD are the clear leader in many ways but its getting silly crediting them with everything. Next thing we are going to say a flush beats a straight- just like it does at DTD

That analogy has no logic whatsoever. I am entitled to credit them with whatever I feel is appropriate, & you are equally entitled to discredit them if you wish. I happen to think "their" System is superb & is unique, so I labelled it thusly.

Perhaps not everyone understands their System.

All Players at DTD play under their Rules, Terms & Conditions. The Rule as to Deals is absolutely clear. For a Deal to be permitted at DTD, ALL players remaining are obliged to....

a) Agree to a Deal or Chop.

b) Accept that the "pro-rata Chip-Count" Method is used. DTD then pay each player based on that Formula. Grosvenors, Galas, Stanleys & other Venues (certainly the first two) do NOT "sanction" Deals, assist with them, encourage or discourage them, they stand aside, have nothing to do with it, & only, ever, pay out the Advertised Prizes, & they then leave it to the players to trust each other to sort out the cash amongst themselves. (In this respect, The Luton Deal differed from the DTD manner, but my description was adequate for all but the most pedantic).

DTD are very strict about this Policy, & make it clear that if anyone is caught abusing it, they will be Barred. As a result, there has not been any of the stupid arguments by Players over Deals that we see elsewhere all the time, as many players lack negotiotion skills & interpersonal skills, & therefore their only recourse is to shout & bluster & become aggressive.

It's good that someone - DTD in this case - is setting an example in organising Live Poker better. I will support them in this unashamedly. I will (& have, repeatedly) give exactly the same credit to any Venue or Chain which innovates & improves for the good of Live Poker.

How odd that some should seek to deny them the credit they deserve for trying to tidy up one of poker's ugliest scenarios - Deals - & the embarrassing aggro that almost always accompanies them. I suppose it's the British disease - knock the successful.

If anyone knows any Venue that does it the DTD way, let me know, but for now, to me, it's "The DTD Way".

[booder]

TJ FOR MOD

[ariston]

tony we are allowed our opinions on this and the chip count method has been the standard way of dealing as is not just the dtd method. Every week almost on stars the million goes to deal negotiations and usually they all agree to deal by chip count- this means everybody gets paid 5th (assuming 5 are chopping) and then the remainder of the money is settled pro rata on chips- these figures are worked out by the manager at the final table and they have an excel spreadsheet or similar meaning when deal talks start he just says "if you chop on chip count this is what you all get......". I cannot accept that dtd have come up with something new or innovative in this instance (they are as I have already said market leaders in so many areas and deserve full credit for those). I have chopped many comps over the last few years on a chip count basis and have usually been the one to work out the figures as most people didnt know how to do a chip count. Danny will confirm that we chopped many comps many times on a chip count basis up in blackpool when he was the boss up here- they were all done to the standard formula that has been used millions of times before DTD was even a thought in Robs mind.

I actually disagree with DTDs stance that you have to deal their way or not at all. Deal negotiations are part of poker and if a chip count deal is not suitable for me I  wont deal if I ever get in the position there. I am happy to deal or chop but in some circumstances a chip count deal is just -EV for me. Having said that its their rules so when I play there I will abide by them. To actually ban people for not wanting to deal their way is ludicrous imo but its their club and their rule so we all have to stick with them. As far as I am concerned unless they are adding money its our money we are playing for and we should be able to divide it up as we see fit, is this in any way different from the WPT or WSOP saying no deals will be allowed which annoys so many people?

[ariston]

oh and i wasnt knocking or criticising DTD for this I was simply saying that its not a new thing DTD have come up with, its been the common way of doing a chip count for years at many venues.

the fact i disagree with us being forced to deal in a certain manner isn't important as its just my oppinion. It wont effect how I play the game down there it will only become an issue on the odd instance that a chip count deal doesn't suit and I refuse to deal which gladly is still my right.

[tikay]

tony we are allowed our opinions on this and the chip count method has been the standard way of dealing as is not just the DTD method. Every week almost on stars the million goes to deal negotiations and usually they all agree to deal by chip count- this means everybody gets paid 5th (assuming 5 are chopping) and then the remainder of the money is settled pro rata on chips- these figures are worked out by the manager at the final table and they have an excel spreadsheet or similar meaning when deal talks start he just says "if you chop on chip count this is what you all get......". I cannot accept that DTD have come up with something new or innovative in this instance (they are as I have already said market leaders in so many areas and deserve full credit for those). I have chopped many comps over the last few years on a chip count basis and have usually been the one to work out the figures as most people didnt know how to do a chip count. Danny will confirm that we chopped many comps many times on a chip count basis up in blackpool when he was the boss up here- they were all done to the standard formula that has been used millions of times before DTD was even a thought in Robs mind.

I actually disagree with DTDs stance that you have to deal their way or not at all. Deal negotiations are part of poker and if a chip count deal is not suitable for me I  wont deal if I ever get in the position there. I am happy to deal or chop but in some circumstances a chip count deal is just -EV for me. Having said that its their rules so when I play there I will abide by them. To actually ban people for not wanting to deal their way is ludicrous imo but its their club and their rule so we all have to stick with them. As far as I am concerned unless they are adding money its our money we are playing for and we should be able to divide it up as we see fit, is this in any way different from the WPT or WSOP saying no deals will be allowed which annoys so many people?

Of COURSE you are allowed your opinion Russ, but you have missed my point completely. (I am allowed my opinion too, btw, even if it differes from yours). You cite, yet again, the Method Stars use, but go so far as to say "they usually agree...." (the players) which is the WHOLE point - it is NOT Mandatory! The DTD system - if I may call it that - IS Mandatory. I think you have missed that key point.

Your second para is a different & unrelated subject altogether. But the whole point is quite simple - it is the Rules under which DTD operates, & that is their entitlement, to operate any Policy they so desire. By joining DTD, you agree to accept those Terms & Conditions. It's a shame you do not understand exactly WHY they introduced the "no Deals except on the pre-agreed Terms, which you have agreed to by becoming a Member". But it was done to help promote a better atmo in which to play poker, & conduct Deals, & it's been 100% successful - there has not been a single "deal/chop" argument down there after over 60 Tourneys. Some record that, & I'll wager that no other Venue can boast that.

The place is run as "Rob's Home Game", & he's entitled to install any Rule he wishes. We, as players, are entitled to stay away if we don't like it.

[tikay]

oh and i wasnt knocking or criticising DTD for this I was simply saying that its not a new thing DTD have come up with, its been the common way of doing a chip count for years at many venues.
the fact i disagree with us being forced to deal in a certain manner isn't important as its just my oppinion. It wont effect how I play the game down there it will only become an issue on the odd instance that a chip count deal doesn't suit and I refuse to deal which gladly is still my right.

Please remind me where this method is MANDATORY, is the ONLY Deal format available, & where the Venue takes RESPONSIBILITY for paying out on the basis of the Chop/Deal?

It remains, at DTD, your absolute right to refuse to accept their method of Dealing, & play on. You do not have the right to vary the Terms of the Deal/Chop, though.

[ariston]

fair enough I will accept that the main change is they have made it madatory which is innovative. If they have had no arguments over deals since they opened then it obviously works so fair play to them. I accept their rules obviously and will abide by them even if I disagree with them. The F bomb rule at the wsop is a ridiculous but we all have to abide with it.

Tracey didn't do a DTD style chipcount then by your own analagy as it wasn't mandatory I presume at luton and they chose to settle it by chipcount (ie standard way many comps have been chopped pre DTD). That was the only point I was trying to make- a chipcount isn't DTD style unless it is mandatory which is the innovation that DTD have made. If its just a chipcount do DTD need credit for it?

[Chompy]

It's the only way to chop for me and I haven't chopped a tournament any other way for ages now. I still haven't played at DTD, so haven't witnessed it there, but in the places I've played at in Vegas they'll work out the chop for you and pay out accordingly.
PS, well done Dingdell imo