Pocket 7s PreFlop Decision

[Horneris]

PokerStars Game #16469514945: Tournament #82580370, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2008/04/03 - 22:26:44 (ET)
Table '82580370 123' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: lakota42 (5704 in chips)
Seat 2: ecls45 (5635 in chips)
Seat 3: ChipRich20 (28896 in chips)
Seat 4: BURRXXX (22852 in chips)
Seat 5: Ugot2outs (19486 in chips)
Seat 6: kswaterboy (20536 in chips)
Seat 7: sirrich111 (13864 in chips)
Seat 8: Krizee (5286 in chips)
Seat 9: ROMDOM (20502 in chips)
lakota42: posts the ante 50
ecls45: posts the ante 50
ChipRich20: posts the ante 50
BURRXXX: posts the ante 50
Ugot2outs: posts the ante 50
kswaterboy: posts the ante 50
sirrich111: posts the ante 50
Krizee: posts the ante 50
ROMDOM: posts the ante 50
kswaterboy: posts small blind 300
sirrich111: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
ChipRich20: 
Krizee: folds
ROMDOM: folds
lakota42: folds
ecls45: folds
ChipRich20: raises 1125 to 1725
BURRXXX: raises 3075 to 4800
Ugot2outs: folds
kswaterboy: folds
sirrich111: folds
ChipRich20: ?

Stack sizes before the hand:

Seat 3: ChipRich20 (28896 in chips)
Seat 4: BURRXXX (22852 in chips)

300 players left.

BURRXXX has 3 bet us once pre, but only once and played pretty tight apart from this.

Now do well call 3075 here or just fold?. Surely if we're calling we're just calling for set value or a very specific flop such as 4 5 6 or 5 6 8? Out of Position aswell for the rest of the hand obv.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

4bet ftmfw

[ChipRich]

I think we can all say, we know what Horneris thinks i should do.....FOLD.

[Horneris]

Not neccesarily, i just think its an interesting spot, and want to see wht members of the Blonde community think.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

I think horneris wants you to jam.

[AlexMartin]

Call. Its not close imo.

[LeKnave]

Call. Its not close imo.

i agree.

After the open, how can u ever fold to such a small 3bet?

[UpTheMariners]

i reckon hes got kings or aces here unlikely to RR so small with ak.

[M3boy]

Call. Its not close imo.

Explain?

Why would you call another 3075 (ie 11% of your stack) to hit an 8 to 1 shot when your opponent only has 22852 to begin with?

[LeKnave]

Call. Its not close imo.

Explain?

Why would you call another 3075 (ie 11% of your stack) to hit an 8 to 1 shot when your opponent only has 22852 to begin with?

the implied odds in this hand are 8.432/1.

its a call of 3075 to win 7875 (the pot) and 18,052 (his stack)

25,927/3075 = 8.432/1

so even if we are certain he has a big pair + will stack off, its +ev.

Unless i iz wrong.

[boldie]

Fairly straightforward call for me. more than happy to hit my set and take his stack.

[fidget]

Fold  - and open for 1599 so you won't feel as bad about it

[AlexMartin]

Call. Its not close imo.

Explain?

Why would you call another 3075 (ie 11% of your stack) to hit an 8 to 1 shot when your opponent only has 22852 to begin with?

the implied odds in this hand are 8.432/1.

its a call of 3075 to win 7875 (the pot) and 18,052 (his stack)

25,927/3075 = 8.432/1

so even if we are certain he has a big pair + will stack off, its +ev.

Unless i iz wrong.

YA. also, raising is clearly incorrect, as we only get called by better hands against any reasonable player and (mostly) better hands dont fold (poss 20% of his range folds?).
folding could be considered, but as leKnave says, we have near perfect implied odds and im assuming (it fucking looks like) villain has a huge hand which makes stacking him if we hit a 7 100% gtd.

[TheChipPrince]

I call and play it from there... Never jamming, sometimes folding, depending on opponent...

[M3boy]

I call and play it from there... Never jamming, sometimes folding, depending on opponent...

This was my point - I dont think it is a certain call.

Yes I appreciate that we get the lot if a 7 flops, but to me it is a marginal call even on inplied odds.