Abi Titmuss

[Claw75]

Great debate. And the fact this thread's rumbling on and on (and I noticed picking up a few extra satellite entires for the ELC along the way) is great for Ladbrokes. As is the national press coverage, glossy women's magazines, etc, etc.
How women are used in poker is much wider than just poor old Abi. Michelle Orpe, Kara Scott, Liv Boaree have all been getting lots of coverage recently and this isn't just for their achievements in poker. Liv has had about three or four front covers over the past couple of months and this is because she's an attractive woman (who plays a bit of poker). That's why Absolute Poker signed her up and she's already paid them back in coverage for their initial investment. As has Abi.
Colch Kev makes a great point - I don't really agree with the idea of single sex tourneys either, but while they exist, providing edge and value for the same established players year after year, is is too much to ask for Ladbrokes to try and make some brand awareness out of it?
PokerStars signed up Boris Becker to promote the Dortmund EPT. Was this for his poker skills? OK, he's proven in his specialised field, but surely, so is Abi. And whether you agree with what she did or not, or whether you think she's classless, is largely irrelevant to this debate. Remember that David Williams started his career making films that were much more questionable than Abi's.
My opinion:
Single sex tourneys - bad.
Abi Tittmuss being used to promote a single-sex tourney - couldn't care less.

An interesting & intriguing first Post Sir. Welcome to blonde.

I guess you'd argue that having girlies on the front page of Poker Mags helps sell them, too?

It helps entice men to pick them up in the shop to have a look at them.

There are 8,000-odd blonde members and the ratio of men to women is 6.5:1.

Sex sells I guess.

Very likely. I'm pretty sure "kidunknown" would have a view on that.

doesn't that particular magazine usually have male poker players on the cover though?

[kinboshi]

Great debate. And the fact this thread's rumbling on and on (and I noticed picking up a few extra satellite entires for the ELC along the way) is great for Ladbrokes. As is the national press coverage, glossy women's magazines, etc, etc.
How women are used in poker is much wider than just poor old Abi. Michelle Orpe, Kara Scott, Liv Boaree have all been getting lots of coverage recently and this isn't just for their achievements in poker. Liv has had about three or four front covers over the past couple of months and this is because she's an attractive woman (who plays a bit of poker). That's why Absolute Poker signed her up and she's already paid them back in coverage for their initial investment. As has Abi.
Colch Kev makes a great point - I don't really agree with the idea of single sex tourneys either, but while they exist, providing edge and value for the same established players year after year, is is too much to ask for Ladbrokes to try and make some brand awareness out of it?
PokerStars signed up Boris Becker to promote the Dortmund EPT. Was this for his poker skills? OK, he's proven in his specialised field, but surely, so is Abi. And whether you agree with what she did or not, or whether you think she's classless, is largely irrelevant to this debate. Remember that David Williams started his career making films that were much more questionable than Abi's.
My opinion:
Single sex tourneys - bad.
Abi Tittmuss being used to promote a single-sex tourney - couldn't care less.

An interesting & intriguing first Post Sir. Welcome to blonde.

I guess you'd argue that having girlies on the front page of Poker Mags helps sell them, too?

It helps entice men to pick them up in the shop to have a look at them.

There are 8,000-odd blonde members and the ratio of men to women is 6.5:1.

Sex sells I guess.

Very likely. I'm pretty sure "kidunknown" would have a view on that.

I'm sure he does .

[kinboshi]

Great debate. And the fact this thread's rumbling on and on (and I noticed picking up a few extra satellite entires for the ELC along the way) is great for Ladbrokes. As is the national press coverage, glossy women's magazines, etc, etc.
How women are used in poker is much wider than just poor old Abi. Michelle Orpe, Kara Scott, Liv Boaree have all been getting lots of coverage recently and this isn't just for their achievements in poker. Liv has had about three or four front covers over the past couple of months and this is because she's an attractive woman (who plays a bit of poker). That's why Absolute Poker signed her up and she's already paid them back in coverage for their initial investment. As has Abi.
Colch Kev makes a great point - I don't really agree with the idea of single sex tourneys either, but while they exist, providing edge and value for the same established players year after year, is is too much to ask for Ladbrokes to try and make some brand awareness out of it?
PokerStars signed up Boris Becker to promote the Dortmund EPT. Was this for his poker skills? OK, he's proven in his specialised field, but surely, so is Abi. And whether you agree with what she did or not, or whether you think she's classless, is largely irrelevant to this debate. Remember that David Williams started his career making films that were much more questionable than Abi's.
My opinion:
Single sex tourneys - bad.
Abi Tittmuss being used to promote a single-sex tourney - couldn't care less.

An interesting & intriguing first Post Sir. Welcome to blonde.

I guess you'd argue that having girlies on the front page of Poker Mags helps sell them, too?

It helps entice men to pick them up in the shop to have a look at them.

There are 8,000-odd blonde members and the ratio of men to women is 6.5:1.

Sex sells I guess.

Very likely. I'm pretty sure "kidunknown" would have a view on that.

doesn't that particular magazine usually have male poker players on the cover though?

I think you're right.  It sticks to well-known players, and as the majority of these are men...

[kidunknown]

Funnily enough, out of all the covers we've done, we've only had a few women on there and they've been the worst sellers. Our stock is Hellmuth and Negreanu - they always fly off the shelves. Perhaps it's because the women we've put on the cover are known for their poker first, but we've never had a celeb on the cover, and unless one goes on to win a major, major, tournament, we never would. Abi's going to have to do more than win the ELC to get her face on there

[kinboshi]

Funnily enough, out of all the covers we've done, we've only had a few women on there and they've been the worst sellers. Our stock is Hellmuth and Negreanu - they always fly off the shelves. Perhaps it's because the women we've put on the cover are known for their poker first, but we've never had a celeb on the cover, and unless one goes on to win a major, major, tournament, we never would. Abi's going to have to do more than win the ELC to get her face on there

Her face...

[The_nun]

This certainly has turned into a long thread.  So if we are saying it is wrong for Laddies to use / buy in someone to the game does that then say that all sponsered players are going to be classed as the same. After all the sponsers are surly all hoping for the same result, publicity.   Exactly how many players are paying there own way in against sponsered players / sat winners? anyone know?.

[kinboshi]

I don't think anyone can really say if it's 'right' or 'wrong' - sex is used to sell everything, from soft-drinks to cars, and everything in-between.

The question is, how effective will it be.  We're talking about it on here - but we talk about all sorts of nonsense on here (where is boldie?).  Is it going to help Ladbrokes attract more players?

Is her inclusion an attempt to turn the event into more of a spectacle?  Is it a long-term campaign, and she's going to be the 'face' of Ladbrokes?  I don't she's going to attract many more women to poker - surely she's there to attract more men?

 

[boldie]

Funnily enough, out of all the covers we've done, we've only had a few women on there and they've been the worst sellers. Our stock is Hellmuth and Negreanu - they always fly off the shelves. Perhaps it's because the women we've put on the cover are known for their poker first, but we've never had a celeb on the cover, and unless one goes on to win a major, major, tournament, we never would. Abi's going to have to do more than win the ELC to get her face on there

Her face...

Would make a change for seeing her clam spread out on the front page of a magazine...though could be funny if it got angry.

[snoopy1239]

Great debate. And the fact this thread's rumbling on and on (and I noticed picking up a few extra satellite entires for the ELC along the way) is great for Ladbrokes. As is the national press coverage, glossy women's magazines, etc, etc.
How women are used in poker is much wider than just poor old Abi. Michelle Orpe, Kara Scott, Liv Boaree have all been getting lots of coverage recently and this isn't just for their achievements in poker. Liv has had about three or four front covers over the past couple of months and this is because she's an attractive woman (who plays a bit of poker). That's why Absolute Poker signed her up and she's already paid them back in coverage for their initial investment. As has Abi.
Colch Kev makes a great point - I don't really agree with the idea of single sex tourneys either, but while they exist, providing edge and value for the same established players year after year, is is too much to ask for Ladbrokes to try and make some brand awareness out of it?
PokerStars signed up Boris Becker to promote the Dortmund EPT. Was this for his poker skills? OK, he's proven in his specialised field, but surely, so is Abi. And whether you agree with what she did or not, or whether you think she's classless, is largely irrelevant to this debate. Remember that David Williams started his career making films that were much more questionable than Abi's.
My opinion:
Single sex tourneys - bad.
Abi Tittmuss being used to promote a single-sex tourney - couldn't care less.

An interesting & intriguing first Post Sir. Welcome to blonde.

I guess you'd argue that having girlies on the front page of Poker Mags helps sell them, too?

I don't recall them putting norkage on the front cover too much. In fact, I think it's predominantly male poker players. This month's cover is cool.

[ariston]

hang on 8000 members on blonde men to woman ratio 6.5-1 meaning there are over 1000 female members on blonde?? according to the standardised norkage rating scale (meaning on average 1 in 10 women would be NAS approved- SNRS) that means over 100 ladies on blonde would get the official NAS stamp of approval.


any chance of a calander or something? could make a fortune and mean kev doesnt have to work so hard on getting numbers up in the blondepoker room.

[ariston]

just please dont put tighty or kev in a thong

[Nursey]

Michelle Orpe got sponsored too, almost as bad tbh in terms of poker skills but no one says owt about that?

Hey there Acidmouse. The reason that no one says owt about that is because you are completely wrong. My poker skills are far more advanced than Abi's. Of course they are, do you not have a TV? Think about it........I got to sit on a show with 8 different poker experts, 3 nights a week for 4 hours a night for 3 years asking any questions I wanted. I would have to be a complete and utter moron not to have picked up exceptionally good knowledge of the game. My game is actually very good. Of course I am no expert and I do not pretend to be. I am also not under any illusion at all as to how and why I got offered the sponsorship. But Purple are not stupid and the last thing they want to do is sponsor someone who doesn't know what they are doing. The reason Purple sponsored me (if you are interested) is because it is great marketing and publicity. There are not many blonde TV Presenters who can play poker. If I play in a game I generally get pictures taken of me and the TV company's usually want an interview. This is because I am different to the norm, there are many men playing poker so it's normal, they will talk to the big male players, but there are not many young woman so of course they want coverage of me, this is completely natural, the way of the world and why Purple Lounge have sponsored me. But there is no point having a sponsored player who is not in the game long enough for the camera man to adjust his flash and take a picture, so they also need someone who can hold there own and talk the talk. Both of which I can do. I don't have enough live experience yet to play at the levels I want to but this is happening with time....

I have also proved I can play the game:

I won an EPT qualifier at the Vic, 250 players and 10 tickets up for grabs, a lot of players were very complimentary of how I played.
I lasted 9 hours in the London EPT
I lasted 9 hours in the GUKPT
I made the Cash at the weekend in the Ladbrokes ELC

Also, I am a little interested to know how you know the level of my play as 1, I have not played any TV tables recently and 2, I have never played you. So how could you possibly know how good or bad I am!

On the thread:

I think you have to give Abi some credit because she is not taking this lightly, apparently she has been playing everyday for hours to try and learn the game and become good at it. Also I think it is wrong to say bad things about someone you don't know. All you know is how she is perceived in the press. I have never met her so I can't pass judgement, she may be a really horrible person who just wants to get her t**s out to make money, but she also might be a really nice person who once got her t**s out and is now trying something else with her career. I certainly don't blame her for excepting this oppotunity. Think about it.......would you? If someone approaches you and offers you an opportunity, you take it and then you do all you can to make it work. She seems to be doing this so I say good on her and lets offer some support instead of being mean.

As far as woman only tournaments are concerned.....who cares. Men are more whiny than woman are. There are plenty of tournaments to go around so I don't suppose it matters if there are a couple of woman only tournaments knocking about, and if you're that bothered about it why do you not make your own man tournaments, we won't mind. Plus, some woman find it really hard to play men and are really intimidated by men, so for those woman these tournaments are great.

Mich

[snoopy1239]

Nice post.

[Ironside]

Michelle Orpe got sponsored too, almost as bad tbh in terms of poker skills but no one says owt about that?

Hey there Acidmouse. The reason that no one says owt about that is because you are completely wrong. My poker skills are far more advanced than Abi's. Of course they are, do you not have a TV? Think about it........I got to sit on a show with 8 different poker experts, 3 nights a week for 4 hours a night for 3 years asking any questions I wanted. I would have to be a complete and utter moron not to have picked up exceptionally good knowledge of the game. My game is actually very good. Of course I am no expert and I do not pretend to be. I am also not under any illusion at all as to how and why I got offered the sponsorship. But Purple are not stupid and the last thing they want to do is sponsor someone who doesn't know what they are doing. The reason Purple sponsored me (if you are interested) is because it is great marketing and publicity. There are not many blonde TV Presenters who can play poker. If I play in a game I generally get pictures taken of me and the TV company's usually want an interview. This is because I am different to the norm, there are many men playing poker so it's normal, they will talk to the big male players, but there are not many young woman so of course they want coverage of me, this is completely natural, the way of the world and why Purple Lounge have sponsored me. But there is no point having a sponsored player who is not in the game long enough for the camera man to adjust his flash and take a picture, so they also need someone who can hold there own and talk the talk. Both of which I can do. I don't have enough live experience yet to play at the levels I want to but this is happening with time....

I have also proved I can play the game:

I won an EPT qualifier at the Vic, 250 players and 10 tickets up for grabs, a lot of players were very complimentary of how I played.
I lasted 9 hours in the London EPT
I lasted 9 hours in the GUKPT
I made the Cash at the weekend in the Ladbrokes ELC

Also, I am a little interested to know how you know the level of my play as 1, I have not played any TV tables recently and 2, I have never played you. So how could you possibly know how good or bad I am!

On the thread:

I think you have to give Abi some credit because she is not taking this lightly, apparently she has been playing everyday for hours to try and learn the game and become good at it. Also I think it is wrong to say bad things about someone you don't know. All you know is how she is perceived in the press. I have never met her so I can't pass judgement, she may be a really horrible person who just wants to get her t**s out to make money, but she also might be a really nice person who once got her t**s out and is now trying something else with her career. I certainly don't blame her for excepting this oppotunity. Think about it.......would you? If someone approaches you and offers you an opportunity, you take it and then you do all you can to make it work. She seems to be doing this so I say good on her and lets offer some support instead of being mean.

As far as woman only tournaments are concerned.....who cares. Men are more whiny than woman are. There are plenty of tournaments to go around so I don't suppose it matters if there are a couple of woman only tournaments knocking about, and if you're that bothered about it why do you not make your own man tournaments, we won't mind. Plus, some woman find it really hard to play men and are really intimidated by men, so for those woman these tournaments are great.

Mich

mich your points would have merit apart from the fact one of those experts was tikay. how long did it take to forget what he taught you?

[Claw75]

There are not many blonde TV Presenters who can play poker.

nope, I definitely can't think of another one