Omaha Weaknesses

[Graham C]

Hi,

I'm enjoying omaha tournaments at the moment and not doing too bad, but I have a couple of simple issues I could do with asking about.

Firstly, I'm reluctant to raise preflop for some reason.  As it's a game about flops, I don't raise preflop that often.  If I have an obviously good hand ( for example) I will, but I don't generally raise with aces/kings with two crappy other cards early on for example.  Ace2M sent me a link to a guide to playing preflop a bit back that I've since lost but it suggested hands to raise preflop with.  Could someone offer me some guidance on this please?    I'm ok with the hands that I want to play preflop, it's just whether or not they're good enough to raise with, especially in the early/mid stages of the tournament.  Late on a raise will often take the blinds uncontested, but early on I'm unsure.

Also in PLO8, is it worth entering a pot with the potential to get the nut low if you can get in cheap?  Trouble is that it's quite likely that the low is split and if it's a multi way pot, then the returns could be less than the amount I've put in, but I'm not sure if long term I should be joining in with  X X hands or such.

Thanks

[boldie]

just my two cents;

Your second question for me is a clear No. Don't feck about when you think you can only get half the pot (and indeed get quartered by someone) time to get out pre-flop there...it's a massive leak some players have. Hi/lo is about the scoop and nothing else.

Question one; You should/can raise with a wide range of hands in PLO. Anyone who says "don't raise pre-flop as it's a flop game" is talking out of their arse. (I wanted to slap someone silly when we were at DtD and he kept saying "there's no point raising pre-fop in Omaha") Position obviously determines a lot and essentially any straight hand that's Double Suited should be raised pre.
 5678 DS 6789 DS that sort of stuff. You have a massive hand when holding something like that pre-flop. and, especially in position you should raise with this and get a nice juiy pot. A lot of peope that play PLO play it like they would play hold em and their hand selection is poor, they only raise with suited aces for instance ..or they over play KK rag rag. A hand like the one you have is  massive against KK rag rag.

A straight hand like 5678 but 1 suit represented (so ) I feel should still be raised pre when in position..and at some tables when out of position. It's a nice hand..just what you want in PLO (for me anyways)

A rainbow straight is something to be slightly more cautious with but should still be played.

If you raise with all of the above hands and not just AAXX DS or monsters like that people have no idea where to place you.
it's not the AAXX hand that will get you a lot of dosh...it's the straights.

just my two cents.

[GlasgowBandit]

Omaha is definitely a post flop game Silo but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be raising pre flop, I am hesitant to raise any pot that has several limpers.  If I have a monster hand then I am happy to limp/re-raise if in EP.  Much of the game depends on the table dynamics, you'll find in a lot of PLO games that the whole table like to call any bet simply because they have 4 cards, the 4 cards they have don't realy count much to after the flop as they could have spanners and it could hit, I play omaha much like a lot of people play rebuys - if the table is tight then I play LAG if the table is fairly loose then I rock up.

I do like to raise pre with hands like 4567ds, AATJ, AAKQ, 89TJ - these hands don't always come along so I'll sometime mix it up the sort of hands i'm not interested in are QJ74 - and you see a lot of players playing these type of hands but not having a clue how to go about it after the flop.  If facing a big bet on the flop and not sure what to do think about ways your hand can actually improve rather than what you have.

As for O8 i think its deffo worth trying to get into cheap pots with A2xx however don't get married to these type of hands looks for ands that can win both the H and L, you could fine yourself in a position were you only win 1/4 of the pot if playin for the L.

[ACE2M]

http://www.bet-the-pot.com/omaha-point-count-systems-page62.html

not just this page but i thought there was some really good stuff on here when i started playing omaha

[NoflopsHomer]

just my two cents;

Your second question for me is a clear No. Don't feck about when you think you can only get half the pot (and indeed get quartered by someone) time to get out pre-flop there...it's a massive leak some players have. Hi/lo is about the scoop and nothing else.

Question one; You should/can raise with a wide range of hands in PLO. Anyone who says "don't raise pre-flop as it's a flop game" is talking out of their arse. (I wanted to slap someone silly when we were at DTD and he kept saying "there's no point raising pre-fop in Omaha") Position obviously determines a lot and essentially any straight hand that's Double Suited should be raised pre.
 5678 DS 6789 DS that sort of stuff. You have a massive hand when holding something like that pre-flop. and, especially in position you should raise with this and get a nice juiy pot. A lot of peope that play PLO play it like they would play hold em and their hand selection is poor, they only raise with suited aces for instance ..or they over play KK rag rag. A hand like the one you have is  massive against KK rag rag.

A straight hand like 5678 but 1 suit represented (so ) I feel should still be raised pre when in position..and at some tables when out of position. It's a nice hand..just what you want in PLO (for me anyways)

A rainbow straight is something to be slightly more cautious with but should still be played.

If you re-raise with all of the above hands and not just AAXX DS or monsters like that people have no idea where to place you.
it's not the AAXX hand that will get you a lot of dosh...it's the straights.

just my two cents.

FYP

[boldie]

agreed Floppy thanks mate.

[LuckyLloyd]

Things I do when playing lowstakes online omaha tournaments:

- Never ever fold any four cards preflop when getting 2 : 1 or better for your whole tank or my whole tank;
- If your stack is 20% or less of my stack I wanna actively get it in preflop against you with any four;
- 20BBs or less and I have some double suited shite = I'M ALL IN SON;
- If deepstacked and a 4 bet doesn't get at least a third of your stack in with the boots then don't 4 - bet. Cause 4 bets are always assumed to be the boots;

WARNING: I'm a terrible omaha player. But I do win in lowstakes omaha donkaments online. I think that on a general level, if you wanna play a hand - raising in to limped or unopened pots is much better than limping.

[Graham C]

Thanks all

[EvilPie]

Question one; You should/can raise with a wide range of hands in PLO. Anyone who says "don't raise pre-flop as it's a flop game" is talking out of their arse. (I wanted to slap someone silly when we were at DTD and he kept saying "there's no point raising pre-fop in Omaha") Position obviously determines a lot and essentially any straight hand that's Double Suited should be raised pre.

On no I think this might have been me 

Was it in the Wednesday night £100 + 1?

I don't really think there's no point. Of course there's a point, it gets rid of crap hands and builds the pot if there are a couple of decent hands.

It's just that sometimes I prefer to limp with every hand rather than raise with specific hands (everyone raises 5678 ds or AAxx single or ds). How I play depends on whose at the table tbh. If they seem like good players then there's no point raising because they soon figure out your specific range. If you limp / call and see most flops then they've no way of knowing what you've got (even second guessing).

It's just a way I play on some days, other days are raising days when there's "no point limping in omaha"

PS: Let me know when you're next down there and I'll look for you.

Cheers