Comedy thread on 2 plus 2 about UK players

[superhans]

Well no-one was claiming that Bluescouse is one of the biggest British winners, he's obviously not.

[fatshaft]

I don't think the UK standard of play is what was amusing, I think it was just the general level of uninformed comment.

Such as suggesting that the players that play on Sky Poker are representative of the country (and for that matter the suggestion that everyone in the UK plays on there).

That said, I didn't find it as amusing as I hoped it would be - but that was probably because of the lack of American input.

We've covered this already, but re:SKY - The point was that more or less everyone that plays there is from the UK, NOT that nearly everyone from the Uk plays there. Considering the software, it's a wonder anyone plays there

As such, then you've got a pretty significant sample size that would tell you that UK players are pretty poor, it's why I also mentioned Betfair and Wagerworks, both of those were/are dominated by British players, and like SKY, the standard is bleurgh.

[cambo]

ud think ud quietly go about ur buisness killing all the the mid stakes games there without a fuss?

[tikay]

I don't think the UK standard of play is what was amusing, I think it was just the general level of uninformed comment.

Such as suggesting that the players that play on Sky Poker are representative of the country (and for that matter the suggestion that everyone in the UK plays on there).

That said, I didn't find it as amusing as I hoped it would be - but that was probably because of the lack of American input.

We've covered this already, but re:SKY - The point was that more or less everyone that plays there is from the UK, NOT that nearly everyone from the Uk plays there. Considering the software, it's a wonder anyone plays there

As such, then you've got a pretty significant sample size that would tell you that UK players are pretty poor, it's why I also mentioned Betfair and Wagerworks, both of those were/are dominated by British players, and like SKY, the standard is bleurgh.

Thank you for your lovely PM, I'll reply later, I'm off out shortly.

As to Sky Poker, & remembering of course I have vested nterest, & thus perhaps may have myopic vision in their case.....

I still can't accerpt that correlation between the standard of play on Sky Poker, & in the UK as a whole. Sky Poker stated up 14 months ago, and not on an existing  network, & so is in the very early stages of development. The early Phase of the Business model required a high volume of low-stakes players, which it's achieved with plenty to spare. (It's early graduation to profitability has startled the Industry). The low-limit players at Sky Poker are probably of much the same quality as low-stakes players on any other site. Sky Poker just don't happen to currently cater for (wait for it - here's my chance) "nosebleed stakes" players. When Sky Poker move up the Levels (Stakes), the quality of player on there will be much the same as on any other UK-only Site - because we will be comparing like-for-like.

The software, of course, does not compare much with "traditional" downloadable Online Poker Rooms. That's because it's designed for purpose - so that players can play on the Red Button, via their Telly, which is the market Sky Poker specifically set out to create, grow, & then to dominate. (All achieved). It is a very, extremely, complex piece of kit, to enable Red Button play, by the bye. The next Software Upgrade will simply be the next step in the evolution of Sky Poker Software, & as these are installed, the money levels at which players play will grow. But they will never be the same as other Online rooms - that's the whole point - it's different, & perfectly fit for purpose, as the figures clearly demonstrate. And as 95% (I estimate, could be a bit more or less) of Online Poker is played at micro-Levels, maybe Sky Poker will remain in that niche, where most of the money is. If so, it will never be a suitable Site to compare UK players with other Nationalities.

So.....err, how did we get here?

Oh yes, UK players are not as good as Ameican players. I don't know the answer to that, but the case is certainly not proven. Not at all.

OK, I gotta go play some Omaha, at DTD. Have a good evening.

PS - There's  lot of Greeks & Asians at DTD - how do THEY compare in the Rankings?

[matt674]

mid stakes no limit

cash not tourny you muppet

our paths have crossed many times online on stars mtts

[clarkatroid]

see much of purr of aces matt, not seen him around for ages

[matt674]

not played much this last month but before that seen him very occasionally on stars and once on party. not like the good old days where you knew everyone on first name terms

Armo's started his own company up so doesnt get much chance to play.

how's cousin Merve?

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: Longy

5. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity, you only have to play down your local casino once a week and you will learn next to nothing in terms of poker strategy but will hear a lot of misguided waffle about the game.

If you play live you learn everything in terms of poker strategy. You learn a lot about human nature, how different types of people behave in different situations, and how to strategise for it. People do waffle shit at the tables and that's a lesson in itself.

Also, we shouldn't frown upon the majority of Friday-night recreational players because their vital place in the food chain fills the pockets of the minority who ARE willing to improve. But it has to be a minority or it doesn't work.

If the majority of UK casino players are very bad, I applaud them.

[clarkatroid]

not played much this last month but before that seen him very occasionally on stars and once on party. not like the good old days where you knew everyone on first name terms

Armo's started his own company up so doesnt get much chance to play.

how's cousin Merve?

good m8, sold my bar last year, and played fulltime since.switched from sngs/mtts to cash as an experiment about 12 months ago and never came back. steep uphill learning curve but really enjoying it and making a fair packet to boot. u playing manchester this week?

[Dubai]

The poster on 2+2 is one of my close friends and was just joking around btw.

Quite why Tikay finds it comedy gold I have no idea. Given that he is still in the Jurassic Age when it comes to poker believing the Rokachs of the world are getting the lot in live multis and that someone booking a £500 win in a dealers choice cash game represents a "Significant Win", then il take his opinion with a pinch of salt. If the thread was about kissing arse and attempting to befriend the entire poker world then maybe I would value his opinion, as it isnt I'l just laugh

[ifm]

The poster on 2+2 is one of my close friends and was just joking around btw.

Quite why Tikay finds it comedy gold I have no idea. Given that he is still in the Jurassic Age when it comes to poker believing the Rokachs of the world are getting the lot in live multis and that someone booking a £500 win in a dealers choice cash game represents a "Significant Win", then il take his opinion with a pinch of salt. If the thread was about kissing arse and attempting to befriend the entire poker world then maybe I would value his opinion, as it isnt I'l just laugh

lol, nice post.
Love the way you see through the smarm, so few of us left.

[action man]

 

[geeforce1]

I've also been scratching my head about the extract below, Posted on blonde (we do quirky, too....), by the deservedly esteemed "Geeforce", a man who knows exactly what he's talking about, I'd say, certainly he moves at Levels I have never been good enough to even aspire to.

but those tht do tend to leave the tilt and stars games alone as there is little need 2 play in games where 90%of the players are overall winning 1s

I just have a (small?) mind that works in weird ways, but I'm really trying to come to terms with what that means - a Site where 90% of the players are overall winning. The other 10% must be doing a bomb......

Just ignore me & my warped sense of humour, but it did amuse me.

i think u have misunderstood my point here. i didnt mean that 90% are beating 10 20, 25 50 etc ( and i realise that 90% is a figure i just plucked from thin air) but i was trying to emphasise that those games are fulll of regs that beat poker overall (tough players). money comes from lower games and filters upto the bigger games. this does happed on Euro sites but since the US ban there isnt the same amount of wreckless idiots turning up on stars and tilt (even those that are there are tend to be over aggressive rather than being stations of super passive). I find i get put in a lot more marginal spots on stars than on ipoker which increases varaince. the standard is therefore (obv IMO) much higher on the US sites.

i dont see many players with UK locations in those stars games, but i do see plenty of UK players on bigger ipoker games (i dont play betfair etc), i am sure these players could beat the games on stars but choose not to.

[tikay]

The poster on 2+2 is one of my close friends and was just joking around btw.

Quite why Tikay finds it comedy gold I have no idea. Given that he is still in the Jurassic Age when it comes to poker believing the Rokachs of the world are getting the lot in live multis and that someone booking a £500 win in a dealers choice cash game represents a "Significant Win", then il take his opinion with a pinch of salt. If the thread was about kissing arse and attempting to befriend the entire poker world then maybe I would value his opinion, as it isnt I'l just laugh

So you tell me your friend was joking, then query why I find it funny.........He clearly was joking. Which is maybe why I found it funny.

But I'm honoured to be considered to be in the Jurassic age. Most peeps date me earlier than that.

[tikay]

I've also been scratching my head about the extract below, Posted on blonde (we do quirky, too....), by the deservedly esteemed "Geeforce", a man who knows exactly what he's talking about, I'd say, certainly he moves at Levels I have never been good enough to even aspire to.

but those tht do tend to leave the tilt and stars games alone as there is little need 2 play in games where 90%of the players are overall winning 1s

I just have a (small?) mind that works in weird ways, but I'm really trying to come to terms with what that means - a Site where 90% of the players are overall winning. The other 10% must be doing a bomb......

Just ignore me & my warped sense of humour, but it did amuse me.

i think u have misunderstood my point here. i didnt mean that 90% are beating 10 20, 25 50 etc ( and i realise that 90% is a figure i just plucked from thin air) but i was trying to emphasise that those games are fulll of regs that beat poker overall (tough players). money comes from lower games and filters upto the bigger games. this does happed on Euro sites but since the US ban there isnt the same amount of wreckless idiots turning up on stars and tilt (even those that are there are tend to be over aggressive rather than being stations of super passive). I find i get put in a lot more marginal spots on stars than on ipoker which increases varaince. the standard is therefore (obv IMO) much higher on the US sites.

i dont see many players with UK locations in those stars games, but i do see plenty of UK players on bigger ipoker games (i dont play betfair etc), i am sure these players could beat the games on stars but choose not to.

Ahh, I see what you meant now, my apologies. I'm a bit of a pedant with maths.

It'd be interesting to see the geographical split by Nationality on 'Stars. That may give us all some clues to the answer to this fascinating riddle. I mean, if, say, (hypothetically), 10% of all 'Stars players were UK-based, we'd have some sort of guide - because only 1 in 10 'Stars players were UK-ites. If we knew, again hypothetically, that 60% of 'Stars players were USA-based, that would enable us to better compare, especially when it's being said "not many UK players do well". It's relative..