your move

[Ironside]

£25 freezeout

3 spots paid 6 left

232k in play you have 96k
blinds 1/2k

your in bb with 84c

folded to sb (42k) who limps in

flop q 6 4 (2 clubs)

sb makes it 3k you call not wanting to commit untill you hit something

4 on turn sb makes it 7k

how do you play hand now

[EvilPie]

Shove!!

Make it look like a big stack steal and hope he's got something to call with.

If you flat call or min raise you're unlikely to get any more out of him anyway so take the chance now. The shove looks like the weakest option to me and that's what I'd want to represent here.

Then get ready with your 50p when he shows 6 4 

[boldie]

I'll stall for ages and then call again and just pretend I don't believe him.

[MANTIS01]

Your oppo bets 3/4 of the pot on the flop and 3/4 of the pot on the turn so it is doubtful he has a big hand. If he doesn't have a big hand it is unlikely he will call a shove. Anyway, the fact that he is taking the lead and betting 3/4 of the pot on every street FOR YOU means you don't have to change a thing. Flat-call again here and hope the club doesn't arrive, then he will surely bet again. The pot will be approx the same as his remaining stack at the river so a push from him wouldn't be out of the question either. If the club doesn't come on the river and he checks then any bet from you could look like a missed f/d anyway so your opportunity to represent a bluff will still be there.

[brummieboy]

i'd raise to 20k, create a bigger pot or be happy to take it down there,i'd presume i'm ahead and favourite over any draw he's on with 1 card and you also have a flush draw as backup which also makes it less likely he has, he could of attempted to trap you with a big hand which he wouldn't lay down on that board, whats the point of hoping he'll lead out on the river, I want all the money in the middle whilst i'm fairly convinced i'm ahead or take down the pot there and thern and not let him outdraw me. If he's got a FH or a better 4 then so be it, with so few runners, i'd only be interested in the first prize.

[MANTIS01]

If you think you are ahead and a favourite over any draw he's on why would you be happy to take down the pot there and then?

[action man]

dwell, fiddle wth chips, call

p.s raise on the flop

[Ironside]

i made it 15k he shoves now what?

[Royal Flush]

i made it 15k he shoves now what?

insta

[Ironside]

i was quicker than that


just a pity that dispite me turning my cards over as i called he waited for the newbie dealer to count the stacks make sure everything was correct before revealing his pocket queens

i think the slow roll was the worst thing in the hand as i thought it pretty much played itself

[Sunday8pm]

i'd raise to 20k, create a bigger pot or be happy to take it down there,i'd presume i'm ahead and favourite over any draw he's on with 1 card and you also have a flush draw as backup which also makes it less likely he has, he could of attempted to trap you with a big hand which he wouldn't lay down on that board, whats the point of hoping he'll lead out on the river, I want all the money in the middle whilst i'm fairly convinced i'm ahead or take down the pot there and thern and not let him outdraw me. If he's got a FH or a better 4 then so be it, with so few runners, i'd only be interested in the first prize.

I play the hand very similar to this.

[MANTIS01]

Well, I don't get what queens man is thinking in this hand?? I certainly couldn't spot that. Limps in blind on blind with Q-Q...then bets 3k into a 4k pot with the nuts on a perfect Q-6-4 flop?? Why slow play pre-flop only to lead out strongly with the nuts?? The bb will be folding here almost always. But then when he makes Queens full on the turn he bets 7k into a 10k pot. He is very lucky that things have worked out perfectly for him because his play is definitely -EV imo. So much so in fact that £1 seems a more suitable charge than 50p.

[Royal Flush]

Well, I don't get what queens man is thinking in this hand?? I certainly couldn't spot that. Limps in blind on blind with Q-Q...then bets 3k into a 4k pot with the nuts on a perfect Q-6-4 flop?? Why slow play pre-flop only to lead out strongly with the nuts?? The bb will be folding here almost always. But then when he makes Queens full on the turn he bets 7k into a 10k pot. He is very lucky that things have worked out perfectly for him because his play is definitely -EV imo. So much so in fact that £1 seems a more suitable charge than 50p.

Hard to play the nuts in a -EV manner, but i think i get your point!

[bolt pp]

Well, I don't get what queens man is thinking in this hand?? I certainly couldn't spot that.

Kinda answered your own question

I agree he's played it oddly but what he losses in EV(as invariably is the case with hands played this strangely) he makes up for with him disguising his hand pretty completely and gets all the money in with us drawing dead.

[MANTIS01]

I think the line from queens man would have merit HU in a raised pot against an aggressive oppo. If aggressive button man raises and sb queens man flats pre and then leads into raiser then ok.

In this example however he limps with his queens and then bets 3/4 pot when the chances his oppo has a queen, a set, or 2 pair, are extremely slim. Yes, he has disguised his hand but the bb needs something to remain interested in defending this small pot, and most of the time he wont. Imagine all the times he limps with queens and A's and K's hit the flop. Even in this hand if he doesn't flop the set we stack him with the three 4's, so it's very risky business, and I don't think turning the nuts into a bluff really compensates him enough of the time for that to make sense. Especially because the 2 cards in his hand take away many of his oppo's potential calling hands.