OOP vs TAG

[UpTheMariners]

Seat 1: AceKicker_79 (3,980)
Seat 2: Asgrow13 (5,990)
Seat 3: Chip Jett (2,585)
Seat 4: UpTheMariners (6,390)
Seat 5: taktloss47 (6,398)
Seat 6: c_brigante83 (4,995)
Seat 7: The Universe112 (4,475)
Seat 8: KidLA (6,283)
Seat 9: Comandr_Cool (11,984)
Comandr_Cool posts the small blind of 60
AceKicker_79 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [ ]
Asgrow13 folds
Chip Jett folds
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners raises to 380
taktloss47 folds
c_brigante83 folds
The Universe112 calls 380
KidLA folds
Comandr_Cool folds
AceKicker_79 has 15 seconds left to act
AceKicker_79 folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
UpTheMariners...

the universe112 is playing 19/14 over a small sample size. whats your line here? bet? check? if i bet i seem to get called 90% of the time in these situations.

[NoflopsHomer]

Check/call. Raise a little less preflop too.

[UpTheMariners]

if i check/call doesnt that just say ive got 99-JJ?

[AlexMartin]

bet from where im looking. He looks pretty nitty so we can prolly give up turn. Is betting 100% of your range very wrong here? I doubt it.

[lucky_scrote]

standard 2/3 pot bet here. I'm obv folding to a raise on the flop.

[UpTheMariners]

Seat 1: AceKicker_79 (3,980)
Seat 2: Asgrow13 (5,990)
Seat 3: Chip Jett (2,585)
Seat 4: UpTheMariners (6,390)
Seat 5: taktloss47 (6,398)
Seat 6: c_brigante83 (4,995)
Seat 7: The Universe112 (4,475)
Seat 8: KidLA (6,283)
Seat 9: Comandr_Cool (11,984)
Comandr_Cool posts the small blind of 60
AceKicker_79 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [ ]
Asgrow13 folds
Chip Jett folds
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners raises to 380
taktloss47 folds
c_brigante83 folds
The Universe112 calls 380
KidLA folds
Comandr_Cool folds
AceKicker_79 has 15 seconds left to act
AceKicker_79 folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
UpTheMariners bets 620
The Universe112 calls 620
*** TURN *** [ ] []

ok so i bet the flop, bet again?

[the reason for my bet on the flop is to try not give my hand away. if i was in a cash game and a reg all of a sudden check calls this flop with middle pairs then bets with top pair and air hes going to get punished lol.]

[MANTIS01]

I think you've played the hand perfectly well so far. The raise to 380 from ep is fine by me and a c-bet is standard on this board. Being ultra picky, I would c-bet 1/2 pot instead of 3/4 pot because the board is safe and 620 appears a bit forceful to me. 1/2 pot looks stronger and doesn't commit you to the hand so much imo.

On the turn I think you have problems. His flop call of 620 is a big chunk of his remaining 4k and the board is completely dry of any draws. For me he can only call this amount with a Q or a set. Your solid pre-flop raise tells you a 2 is unlikely and so for me you are only beating 7-8 or 8-9 at this point. What's your image like? The tighter you've been the less likely he has a bare 8 imo. I check the turn.

[action man]

i think you gotta check the turn. Its hard for the guy to be floating here with his chipstack. Your best hope is maybe a retarded A8s 89s or 99, 77. Im a nit in these spots so i prolly just check/giveup the turn

[AlexMartin]

I think you've played the hand perfectly well so far. The raise to 380 from ep is fine by me and a c-bet is standard on this board. Being ultra picky, I would c-bet 1/2 pot instead of 3/4 pot because the board is safe and 620 appears a bit forceful to me. 1/2 pot looks stronger and doesn't commit you to the hand so much imo.

On the turn I think you have problems. His flop call of 620 is a big chunk of his remaining 4k and the board is completely dry of any draws. For me he can only call this amount with a Q or a set. Your solid pre-flop raise tells you a 2 is unlikely and so for me you are only beating 7-8 or 8-9 at this point. What's your image like? The tighter you've been the less likely he has a bare 8 imo. I check the turn.

this tilts me so much.

Mariners,

c/f turn is std tbh, doubt this guy has the capacity to float you on a dry board and he prolly checks behind all hands we are beating. If it was v Claimer on tribeca i CR though )

[action man]

I think you've played the hand perfectly well so far. The raise to 380 from ep is fine by me and a c-bet is standard on this board. Being ultra picky, I would c-bet 1/2 pot instead of 3/4 pot because the board is safe and 620 appears a bit forceful to me. 1/2 pot looks stronger and doesn't commit you to the hand so much imo.

On the turn I think you have problems. His flop call of 620 is a big chunk of his remaining 4k and the board is completely dry of any draws. For me he can only call this amount with a Q or a set. Your solid pre-flop raise tells you a 2 is unlikely and so for me you are only beating 7-8 or 8-9 at this point. What's your image like? The tighter you've been the less likely he has a bare 8 imo. I check the turn.

this tilts me so much.

Mariners,

c/f turn is std tbh, doubt this guy has the capacity to float you on a dry board and he prolly checks behind all hands we are beating. If it was v Claimer on tribeca i CR though )

and i obv beat you in the pot with 68o

[MANTIS01]

Alex, because the board is completely dry I doubt he calls any reasonable c-bet without a Queen or a set. As such, my inclination would be to bet less rather than more because a 1/2 pot bet will be just as effective as 3/4 pot bet. I am interested in your opinion, so why are you being adolescent? What advantages do you see in betting more rather than less here? Because I don't see any. Also, would you c-bet 620 with A-Q?

[AlexMartin]

Alex, because the board is completely dry I doubt he calls any reasonable c-bet without a Queen or a set. As such, my inclination would be to bet less rather than more because a 1/2 pot bet will be just as effective as 3/4 pot bet. I am interested in your opinion, so why are you being adolescent? What advantages do you see in betting more rather than less here? Because I don't see any. Also, would you c-bet 620 with A-Q?

because when i see people make these bets is weighs their range towards marginal hand (1010 for example/missed AK) or absolute monstrosity (QQ). Given stack sizes we can find out very easily on the turn what they have. So we float them then bet the turn if they check.

 Usually conventional tags just pop 2/3-3/4pot  with big hand (aa/kk/aq), check monsters (QQ), and gay bet (1/2 pot) marginal holdings.

Wasnt being adolescent, it really did tilt me.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: AlexMartin

because when i see people make these bets is weighs their range towards marginal hand (1010 for example/missed AK) or absolute monstrosity (QQ). Given stack sizes we can find out very easily on the turn what they have. So we float them then bet the turn if they check.

 Usually conventional tags just pop 2/3-3/4pot  with big hand (aa/kk/aq), check monsters (QQ), and gay bet (1/2 pot) marginal holdings.

Wasnt being adolescent, it really did tilt me.

Better, thankyou for the substance. First off I understand your appreciation of bet size tells and agree with your comments, this is why personally I c-bet 1/2 pot with every hand on this board. Sometimes you float me when I have nothing and I c/f the turn (as you advise with 10-10), sometimes you float me when I have a monster, I check the turn, and you donate. So for me I think the 1/2 pot bet wins here.

Obviously another benefit is that I lose less than you on this hand. So 1/2 pot bet wins here.

Furthermore almost everyone has said this guy wont float a dry board here because his stack isn't big enough to allow him that luxury, so your floating point is a little weak. With 4k you think he floats 1/2 pot but not 3/4 pot? I don't agree and so think 1/2 pot bet wins here.

What you have said in your reply is that 1/2 pot bet isn't smart in ANOTHER situation, not this situation. And I may or may not agree with you in that other situation.

Rather pleased my strat tilts really.

[AlexMartin]

lol, ur post tilted me, not ur strat.

[MANTIS01]

lol, I posted my strat.