Anti-Speed Camera Petition

[Graham C]

Got a letter from the Police whilst away offering me a Speed Awareness Course in lew of a fine and penalty points.  The cost ?  £79.99, £20 more in the coffers than if I take the fine and points.  The £20 is worth it to not get the points I guess, but the course is 4 and a half hours long!  I was going 10 mph over the limit down a dual carraige way at a quiet time, they could do the 'awareness' in 10 seconds "SLOW DOWN!"  100mph in a 30 limit and I'd accept that I need teaching.

4.5 hours of I can't image what, going to be so bored.  They'd better provide a nice lunch.

[kinboshi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7718279.stm



Average speed cameras are more dangerous than the normal gatso or truvello cameras.  If your car doesn't have cruise control or a heads-up speedo display it means you have to constantly take your eyes off the road to study your speedo. 

[AndrewT]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7718279.stm



Average speed cameras are more dangerous than the normal gatso or truvello cameras.  If your car doesn't have cruise control or a heads-up speedo display it means you have to constantly take your eyes off the road to study your speedo. 

Kinboshi invites people to take their eyes off the road and study his Speedo.

[WYSINWYG]

lolz.

On the motorway I do about 70 then try to avoid accelerating.

The worst on the road are tailgaters, the police should do more to stop them. At least I can control most dangers on the road, like my speed, but I can do little to stop that bastard who's 4cm from my exhaust (apart from getting a bit trigger-happy with the windscreen washer). Granted however, this is FAR worse on the continent.

[kinboshi]

lolz.

On the motorway I do about 70 then try to avoid accelerating.

The worst on the road are tailgaters, the police should do more to stop them. At least I can control most dangers on the road, like my speed, but I can do little to stop that bastard who's 4cm from my exhaust (apart from getting a bit trigger-happy with the windscreen washer). Granted however, this is FAR worse on the continent.

The problem is that tailgating can't be policed by a camera.  It needs police in cars to spot it and act.  You don't see too many police cars on the motorways or other roads these days. 

Tailgating is an example of excessive speed.  If the car in front has to stop suddenly, you are going too fast to avoid hitting them.  It doesn't matter if you're doing this at 50mph, 70mph or 90mph - if you don't have the adequate distance between you and the car in front you are going too fast and it's dangerous.

[Swordpoker]

I like the system on the autobahn's in Germany. There is no speed limit, instead they have 'distance traps'. They measure the distance between cars relative to the speeds they are doing. Tailgaters get fined.

I don't know the stats, but I'll bet that, per mile of road, there are no more accidents on autobahns than there are on our motorways.

[kinboshi]

I like the system on the autobahn's in Germany. There is no speed limit, instead they have 'distance traps'. They measure the distance between cars relative to the speeds they are doing. Tailgaters get fined.

Oh - now that sounds like a sensible system.  If you're going too fast (as in you can't stop in time if the car in front stopped suddenly) you get done - you don't get done for just topping an arbitrary speed limit.

I don't know the stats, but I'll bet that, per mile of road, there are no more accidents on autobahns than there are on our motorways.

Will have a look now...

[kinboshi]

Apparently the UK and Germany are amongst the best motorway systems in Europe (lowest number of serious injuries or fatalities).  Still looking for some comprehensive stats though. 

In both the UK and Germany the motorways account for a very small percentage of these serious accidents (less than 5%). 

[bolt pp]

Got a letter from the Police whilst away offering me a Speed Awareness Course in lew of a fine and penalty points.  The cost ?  £79.99, £20 more in the coffers than if I take the fine and points.  The £20 is worth it to not get the points I guess, but the course is 4 and a half hours long!  I was going 10 mph over the limit down a dual carraige way at a quiet time, they could do the 'awareness' in 10 seconds "SLOW DOWN!"  100mph in a 30 limit and I'd accept that I need teaching.

4.5 hours of I can't image what, going to be so bored.  They'd better provide a nice lunch.

4.5 hours of bottom spanking till you promise to be a good boy and never do it again,

theyve got a 24 year old russian girl or a 70 year old magistrate judge that carries out the session, luck of the draw who you get

[MPOWER]

lolz.

On the motorway I do about 70 then try to avoid accelerating.

The worst on the road are tailgaters, the police should do more to stop them. At least I can control most dangers on the road, like my speed, but I can do little to stop that bastard who's 4cm from my exhaust (apart from getting a bit trigger-happy with the windscreen washer). Granted however, this is FAR worse on the continent.

The problem is that tailgating can't be policed by a camera.  It needs police in cars to spot it and act.  You don't see too many police cars on the motorways or other roads these days. 

Tailgating is an example of excessive speed.  If the car in front has to stop suddenly, you are going too fast to avoid hitting them.  It doesn't matter if you're doing this at 50mph, 70mph or 90mph - if you don't have the adequate distance between you and the car in front you are going too fast and it's dangerous.


Tailgating is no crime. The real criminals are those people who just sit there and don't want you to overtake.

Move out of the way and let the quicker car through. These people think it more fun to brake test you rather than
pull over. Drive in Europe no problem. I drove at my own speed in France at the end of August I did 120KM on the cruise
control and never once touched the brakes. If this was in the UK all you get is abuse and people trying to kill you.

If someone is coming behind you. Easy move out of the way and let them carry on. Relax you'll never see them again.

Drive Safely Folks   

Regards

M         

[Swordpoker]

Tailgating is no crime. The real criminals are those people who just sit there and don't want you to overtake.

Tailgating IS a crime. At the very least it comes under dangerous driving.

Road hogging is also considered dangerous but I've never heard of anyone being done for it. I hate folk blocking the overtaking lanes too. Not much you can do apart from flash your lights to wake them up. I never over take them on the inside - honest 

[kinboshi]

lolz.

On the motorway I do about 70 then try to avoid accelerating.

The worst on the road are tailgaters, the police should do more to stop them. At least I can control most dangers on the road, like my speed, but I can do little to stop that bastard who's 4cm from my exhaust (apart from getting a bit trigger-happy with the windscreen washer). Granted however, this is FAR worse on the continent.

The problem is that tailgating can't be policed by a camera.  It needs police in cars to spot it and act.  You don't see too many police cars on the motorways or other roads these days. 

Tailgating is an example of excessive speed.  If the car in front has to stop suddenly, you are going too fast to avoid hitting them.  It doesn't matter if you're doing this at 50mph, 70mph or 90mph - if you don't have the adequate distance between you and the car in front you are going too fast and it's dangerous.


Tailgating is no crime. The real criminals are those people who just sit there and don't want you to overtake.

Move out of the way and let the quicker car through. These people think it more fun to brake test you rather than
pull over. Drive in Europe no problem. I drove at my own speed in France at the end of August I did 120KM on the cruise
control and never once touched the brakes. If this was in the UK all you get is abuse and people trying to kill you.

If someone is coming behind you. Easy move out of the way and let them carry on. Relax you'll never see them again.

Drive Safely Folks  

Regards

M        

If I'm on the motorway and a car in front stays in the third lane so I can't get by, you sitting up my arse isn't going to get you anywhere any quicker is it?

(and I'm  not sure you have the faster car)

[gatso]

rules on the autobahn are awesome, we should have the same.

I must've driven the entire width of germany either east-west or west-east about 20 times and have seen a grand total of zero accidents, people know how to drive properly at speed

not only do they have the rule where drivers are prosecuted for tailgating (you take your speed in km/h and divide by 2 to get the distance in metres you have to be behind the vehicle in front) drivers are regularly prosecuted for holding up others from overtaking. unlike over here it's legal to flash your lights/sound your horn when coming up behind another driver, if they don't move they can be nicked

if there's a traffic jam no vehicles other than cars use the left hand lane. sometimes you drive for miles at full speed past a long line of stationary trucks, not a single one ever tries to sneak into the fast lane, you'd never see that in the uk

and imo a major contributing factor to road safety over there is the regular service stations with good value good quality food and drink. people actually want to stop at these places for a meal, it's a pleasure to do it so they generally aren't driving around tired, falling asleep and crashing

[MPOWER]

(and I'm  not sure you have the faster car)

Muppet



Regards

M

[kinboshi]

unlike over here it's legal to flash your lights/sound your horn when coming up behind another driver,

That's the recommended course of action by many advanced driving courses if someone is obstructing a lane and holding up the flow of the traffic.  So I don't think it's illegal at all, and all you're doing is alerting the driver in front to your presence.