Another Bad Ruling in a UK Cardroom

[FuglyBaz]

I like your Barry/Ali story though, not much to do with the op imo but interesting nonetheless, another grosvenot rule that all verbals of all kinds go I believe.

had one against Matt Dale in Cardiff. blind on blind he tells me that if I min raise he'll go all in and I min raised to see what he'd do not thinking the verbal went. another player at the table called for a ruling and Matt was made to go AI.

Although not directly related I think examples like these are ample reason for poker players to remain silent/very quiet at all times while playing poker. You can't commit yourself to anything then

[Grier78]

it is a players own responsibilty to know what the action is when it comes to you. If you act out of turn you will be penalised and in this case it was the penalty of having to leave the limp in if he didn't want to call the raise. It is the correct ruling not a bad one.

Why wasn't the player paying more attention (and please don't say because the dealer was leaning forward or is fat or whatever)? I wouldn't ask Pete Linton why the player wasn't watching more closely because you would probably get his stock answer

yep, as I said above now I know it's a grosvenot rule I agree, correct ruling but bad rule. the bad rule bit obv only an opinion.

if you're going to penalise someone (and I don't like penalising them here for a genuine one off mistake) the penalty should be after the pot, it should not be in the form of making someone put chips in the pot

Yeah thats my thinking and Ariston I believe she made an honest mistake, they happen, I just don't think the punishment fits the crime and is not good customer service from the casino.

[Karabiner]

Was the dealer in the game playing as well as dealing ?

If so it would be understandable that the player in seat one might act out of turn, and do Grosvenor rules take into consideration the fact that there may be a player/dealer in the game.

[Grier78]

Was the dealer in the game playing as well as dealing ?

If so it would be understandable that the player in seat one might act out of turn, and do Grosvenor rules take into consideration the fact that there may be a player/dealer in the game.

Yes the dealer was playing.

[stewart]

who was running the comp?  i used to play at riverside everynight very rarley go now if i can possibly avoid it.

the rulieing sound right to me if i have read it right,  even in a cash game if you call out of turn and *put* the chips into the pot that call should stand also in a comp if you call the ante and *put* the chips in then that call stands no matter what happends before you, you can still pass but whatever the blind to call was you have to call that bet   that has allways been my understanding of the rule.

if i read it right the player in seat 1, called the ante, before seat 10 acted he decied to raise seat 1 had to call the ante, and had the option to call or pass  not to raise he carnt raise he has allready tried to act and decided to call so now he carnt raise either put the blind and pass, or make up the raise,

stu

imo even if its a £3 rebuy a or a £1000 f/o its up to the player to know where the action is and what is going on never rely on a dealer for info esp in a self deal game 90% might be able to deal the cards but dont know hardly any rules just think they do  even more so at salford lol

[relaedgc]

There's nothing wrong with that ruling. He has acted out of turn and has been penalised correctly for doing so. He can either call the raise or give up the chips that were put into the pot out of turn. I suspect in the future the player is far less likely to act without checking to see whose turn it is. Especially with only two players in the hand.

I understand where you are coming from, and that players are sometimes returned their chips when they've acted out of turn but that's what happens when you call rulings. You get a decision and that's the end of it.

[AlrightJack]

I don't see what is so severe about having to leave a limp in the pot and I do not see how this could have spoiled someone's evening. Its one limp, get over it. Being penalised after the hand by say missing a full round of the table would actually be harsher as it would result in a missed big and small blind.

It probably did the player in question a favour because they will pay more attention next time.