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Topic: Petrol Prices - Are they to high - What can we do about it. (Read 64783 times)
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The Americans are crying, because there prices are reaching £2 a gallon.
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Quote from: rajkan on June 01, 2008, 09:56:47 PM
Not wanting to make the situation even worse, but consider this: Oil is priced in US Dollars which are performing poorly at the moment at around 2 to 1. Imaging how much worse things will get if / when the dollar stregthens against the pound! Another 30% on the base price, then taxes on top of that are calculted as a percentage, then VAT is another percentage, so it has an even worse effect.
Predictions are fuel prices will be at £1.75 per litre by Christmas and £2 per litre this time next year.
Any one for cycling!
Jesus, it'll almost make rail travel a cost effective choice.
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Quote from: rajkan on June 01, 2008, 09:56:47 PM
Not wanting to make the situation even worse, but consider this: Oil is priced in US Dollars which are performing poorly at the moment at around 2 to 1. Imaging how much worse things will get if / when the dollar stregthens against the pound! Another 30% on the base price, then taxes on top of that are calculted as a percentage, then VAT is another percentage, so it has an even worse effect.
Predictions are fuel prices will be at £1.75 per litre by Christmas and £2 per litre this time next year.
Any one for cycling!
And the only reason it's still being traded in dollars is that the US economy would be crippled if it wasn't. Iraq, Iran and Venezuela already trade in Euros..a very good case can be made for oil now needing to be traded in Euros (Euro is a lot more stable) but the worlds biggest economy would go into a deep recession over night if that were to happen...and that's a nono.
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Maybe we should look at alternative means of transport.
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Quote from: AndrewT on May 31, 2008, 05:24:58 PM
Privatising the health service is a nonsensical idea. Running hospitals for profit?
Private companies only work in places where there the consumer has a genuine choice. When there isn't a choice, it doesn't work. Look what happened to the railways.
If I break my leg here in London, I'm not going to choose to go to an A&E in Cardiff because I heard they provide a good service, or are cheap. I'm going to go to the closest one.
Can someone explain how this private health service is going to work better than the NHS?
Or give successful examples of public industries which were made private to the benefit of the general population?
It won't. The USA has private health care and has caused the greatest health inequalities in the world in that country. If you don't give a chite about people who can't afford health care insurance then I guess you could argue that it works. If anyone has watched ER you will see numerous examples of people who come time and time again to the emergency room because they are in health crisis because they don't have the insurance for their long term health condition and the drugs they need to take for it. In the UK people get better access to healthcare and have their long term conditions managed and treated in a way to reduce health crisis.
There are many examples of poor practice in the NHS
but there are thousands more of good and excellent practice, you just don't get them being reported.
Keep your private health care!!
The NHS does a brilliant job for millions of people on a daily basis. That's despite the under-funding and the other problems that have been highlighted.
As an example, I don't think there's any other country in the world I'd rather be if I needed a heart by-pass operation. But like you've said, these positive stories don't make good headlines.
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from a blog
OK, so I know this a bit of racial stereotyping (where "race", in the broadest sense, means American drivers), but this made me chuckle.
In the Philadelphia area, where the average price for a gallon of regular broke $4 on Friday, calls from out-of-gas AAA members doubled between May 2007 and May 2008, from 81 to 161, the auto club reported.
In Dallas, Courtesy Patrol - a roadside assistance program operated by the sheriff's department - reports a doubling in the number of daily fuel calls from stranded motorists in recent months. Sheriff Lupe Valdez herself recently came to the aid of a mother and her two children who had run out of gas along an interstate.
Apparently a few drivers in America think that economizing on fuel implies putting less in the tank when you go to the gas station, rather than actually driving fewer miles.
The AAA guy quoted in the National Examiner showed how intrinsic the use of a car is to the American populus.
"Some of them are embarrassed. ... They say, 'I was trying to make it till Friday,' and they couldn't do it," said [AAA roadside assistant] Siley, who has assisted numerous out-of-gas motorists.
I guess that people have an allocation of, what $30 a week for gas, and that's what they put in. When it was 99 cents a gallon (and I recall seeing this price in Las Vegas) this meant that you often got a nice $30 'holiday'. Now that the price is $4, it means that you run out of petrol.
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Subject: Tips on Fuelling / gas filling your vehicle
SERIOUSLY VERY USEFUL TIPS!!!
Tips on Filling your Vehicles...
This is a Message received from a friend:
I don't know what you guys are paying for petrol... but here in Durban, we are also paying higher, up to 47.35 per litre. But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every litre.
Here at the Marian Hill Pipeline, where I work in Durban, we deliver about 4 million litres in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline.
One day is diesel; the next day is jet fuel, and petrol, LRP and Unleaded. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 litres.
ONLY BUY OR FILL UP YOUR CAR OR BIKE IN THE EARLY MORNING WHEN THE GROUND TEMPERATURE IS STILL COLD.
Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground, the denser the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening.... your litre is not exactly a litre.
In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the petrol, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products play an important role. A 1degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
WHEN YOU'RE FILLING UP, DO NOT SQUEEZE THE TRIGGER OF THE NOZZLE TO A FAST MODE. If you look, you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode, you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapours that are created, while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapour return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapour. Those vapours are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TIPS IS TO FILL UP WHEN YOUR TANK IS HALF FULL. The reason for this is, the more fuel you have in your tank, the less air occupying its empty space. Petrol evaporates faster than you can imagine. Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.
Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated, so that every litre is actually the exact amount.
ANOTHER REMINDER, IF THERE IS A FUEL TRUCK PUMPING INTO THE STORAGE TANKS, WHEN YOU STOP TO BUY, DO NOT FILL UP - most likely the petrol/diesel is being stirred up as the fuel is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.
Hope, this will help you get the maximum value for your money.
DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS! LET'S SHARE INFORMATION AND BENEFIT ALL, FOR THE BETTER OF MANKIND.
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The density of petrol changes by 0.1% per degree Celsius, if anyone's interested in working out exactly how many pennies they'll save by getting up at dawn to fill their tank up.
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Quote from: rajkan on June 03, 2008, 01:44:04 PM
ONLY BUY OR FILL UP YOUR CAR OR BIKE IN THE EARLY MORNING WHEN THE GROUND TEMPERATURE IS STILL COLD.
Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground, the denser the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening.... your litre is not exactly a litre.
lol. this might be an ok tip for places with overground storage tanks subject to changes in air temp, however the very fact that most tanks are underground means that the variance is like pretty much zero.
Quote from: rajkan on June 03, 2008, 01:44:04 PM
Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.
err, no they don't. when you consider that tanks are bloody great cylinders lying on their sides how hard do you think it would be to put a floating roof on that not only remained airtight but also changed size and shape as the fuel level went up and down? where does the roof go when the tank's full?
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Quote from: gatso on June 03, 2008, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: rajkan on June 03, 2008, 01:44:04 PM
ONLY BUY OR FILL UP YOUR CAR OR BIKE IN THE EARLY MORNING WHEN THE GROUND TEMPERATURE IS STILL COLD.
Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground, the denser the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening.... your litre is not exactly a litre.
lol. this might be an ok tip for places with overground storage tanks subject to changes in air temp, however the very fact that most tanks are underground means that the variance is like pretty much zero.
Quote from: rajkan on June 03, 2008, 01:44:04 PM
Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.
err, no they don't. when you consider that tanks are bloody great cylinders lying on their sides how hard do you think it would be to put a floating roof on that not only remained airtight but also changed size and shape as the fuel level went up and down? where does the roof go when the tank's full?
Sounds like the advice is very non-UK focused. Probably good advice for South Africa.
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Quote from: gatso on June 03, 2008, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: rajkan on June 03, 2008, 01:44:04 PM
ONLY BUY OR FILL UP YOUR CAR OR BIKE IN THE EARLY MORNING WHEN THE GROUND TEMPERATURE IS STILL COLD.
Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground, the denser the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening.... your litre is not exactly a litre.
lol. this might be an ok tip for places with overground storage tanks subject to changes in air temp, however the very fact that most tanks are underground means that the variance is like pretty much zero.
Quote from: rajkan on June 03, 2008, 01:44:04 PM
Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation.
err, no they don't. when you consider that tanks are bloody great cylinders lying on their sides how hard do you think it would be to put a floating roof on that not only remained airtight but also changed size and shape as the fuel level went up and down? where does the roof go when the tank's full?
they are fold out floating roofs, ya eejit...and invisible!..yeah invisible, foldout floating roofs.
Think about it..it makes perfect sense.
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Quote from: kinboshi on June 03, 2008, 02:28:32 PM
Sounds like the advice is very non-UK focused. Probably good advice for South Africa.
and your thinking behind that is what? does SA have different physical laws to the UK?
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Quote from: gatso on June 03, 2008, 02:36:37 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on June 03, 2008, 02:28:32 PM
Sounds like the advice is very non-UK focused. Probably good advice for South Africa.
and your thinking behind that is what? does SA have different physical laws to the UK?
it's on the other side of the world FFS..of course it does! it has gravity up-side-down for one!
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Quote from: gatso on June 03, 2008, 02:36:37 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on June 03, 2008, 02:28:32 PM
Sounds like the advice is very non-UK focused. Probably good advice for South Africa.
and your thinking behind that is what? does SA have different physical laws to the UK?
They might use vertical tanks. These tanks might be above ground. The temperature difference in SA first thing in the morning and at 'high noon' is probably significant.
Also, it mentions Durban in the OP.
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yes the temp difference is greater which is why it might be important on overground tanks but not underground ones.
and unless they're complete morons they don't stand their tanks on end.
their toilets do flush the wrong way though
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