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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2008, 08:26:21 AM » |
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I dislike soft play immensely.
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2008, 08:37:53 AM » |
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I dislike soft play immensely.
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2008, 08:55:50 AM » |
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I dislike soft play immensely.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2008, 09:14:12 AM » |
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I dislike soft play immensely.
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2008, 09:27:28 AM » |
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Sigh....
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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2008, 10:12:36 AM » |
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wooosh for me I'm afraid
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ariston
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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2008, 11:10:01 AM » |
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Soft play in tournaments is just plain wrong. I've had it happen against me in a satellite where there was a blatant fold by a huge stack who let his mate win after he'd gone all in from the sb to big stack's bb. He was getting something like 8 to 1 to call and it was about 600 of his 30000.
It was wrong but it was understandable because thinking about it afterwards I wouldn't want to bust my mate out late stages in a satellite either.
There is an up side to soft play in raked cash games though. Basically it keeps more money at the table for everyone to win off them. If they never raise each other HU then the total rake will be lower and more cash stays on the table. If they play big pots between themselves they are just wasting money.
I would much rather be up against 2 guys soft playing than 2 guys who were full on colluding. By colluding I mean playing their 2 hands as one and giving signs etc. when one of them wants the pot building ready for a big reraise. Now that's what I call cheating!!
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2008, 11:13:15 AM » |
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Soft play in tournaments is just plain wrong. I've had it happen against me in a satellite where there was a blatant fold by a huge stack who let his mate win after he'd gone all in from the sb to big stack's bb. He was getting something like 8 to 1 to call and it was about 600 of his 30000.
It was wrong but it was understandable because thinking about it afterwards I wouldn't want to bust my mate out late stages in a satellite either.
There is an up side to soft play in raked cash games though. Basically it keeps more money at the table for everyone to win off them. If they never raise each other HU then the total rake will be lower and more cash stays on the table. If they play big pots between themselves they are just wasting money.
I would much rather be up against 2 guys soft playing than 2 guys who were full on colluding. By colluding I mean playing their 2 hands as one and giving signs etc. when one of them wants the pot building ready for a big reraise. Now that's what I call cheating!!
I don't think example one is understandable at all..if you don't want to bust your mate then you don't play with them. And soft play in a cash game does not keep more money on the table...it prevents them from reloading and therefore means there will be less money on the table. |
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2008, 11:13:45 AM » |
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At the poker table...........crash and burn everybody.....soft play......soft in the head
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2008, 06:11:46 PM » |
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Yes it is cheating as ultimately its collaborating.
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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2008, 06:13:48 PM » |
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So what penaltys should there be for people soft playing in
comps
cash games
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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2008, 06:16:19 PM » |
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wooosh for me I'm afraid
Thinly veiled "I don't do sexual innuendo" imo. |
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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2008, 06:17:44 PM » |
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soft play is wrong plain and simple. Alligator blood ftw. Should be suspended imo.
Also, was playing in a comp (gukpt side event) where two well known players who know each other well were quite blatantly advising each other through looks and signals on what to do when their mate was at odds. Similar thing?
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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2008, 06:18:36 PM » |
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under TDA rules in a comp you can give a hands missed penalty (ie miss two rounds meaning you lose 2 sets of blinds) and for a repeat offence you could be disqualified.
In cash games I dont see it being as big an issue really unless there is suspision of collusion ie squeezing out other players.
Dont forget we are all guilty of soft play when we check an allin opponent down. Betting into a dry pot is frowned upon whereas clear softplay/collusion when checking down an allin opponent is perfectly acceptable- why is that?
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ariston
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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2008, 06:19:49 PM » |
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wooosh for me I'm afraid
Thinly veiled "I don't do sexual innuendo" imo. ok I have to admit I really didn't see that one - I must be getting old  Not a problem I have ever had anyway |
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