New Approach in the derby!

[boldie]

I hope he turns out to be gay and buggers Jim Bolger up his arse..I hate that man.

but he won and that's all that counts..Jim Bolger deserves NO CREDIT for this whatsoever though and I hope people remember that.

[pokerram]

well done guys who backed the winner

[TightEnd]

.Jim Bolger deserves NO CREDIT for this whatsoever though and I hope people remember that.

complete rubbish

he's a great trainer. you may not like him as a man (and frankly he has no obligation to punters whatsover, as a punter you take your risks) but this is an acheievement for which he deserves enormous credit

[boldie]

.Jim Bolger deserves NO CREDIT for this whatsoever though and I hope people remember that.

complete rubbish

he's a great trainer. you may not like him as a man (and frankly he has no obligation to punters whatsover, as a punter you take your risks) but this is an acheievement for which he deserves enormous credit

He didn't train the horse for this race...in fact he forgot he had left the horse in and wasn't going to run him in it. Everybody and their granny knew that this was the race for this horse..not the guinneas and not the Irish guinneas..everybody except Jim Bolger.
This horse could have been trained by every decent trainer and have won this..the class of the horse won it..not Jim Bolger. The man is a good trainer..no doubt about that..but he almost completely buggered this horse's career up and if I was Sheikh Mohammed he wouldn't get a chance to repeat this collosal blunder.

[bobby1]

Nice work Boldie, I think Bolger is a little hard done by tho, he has just won the biggest race of his life and is getting stick because he hasnt helped punters but its not his job to help punters.

He changed hos mind and it turned out well.

[doubleup]

[and frankly he has no obligation to punters whatsover, as a punter you take your risks

I don't agree with this.  If it wasn't for punters racing pretty much wouldn't exist, so anyone making a living from racing should give some consideration to backers.

[boldie]

[and frankly he has no obligation to punters whatsover, as a punter you take your risks

I don't agree with this.  If it wasn't for punters racing pretty much wouldn't exist, so anyone making a living from racing should give some consideration to backers.

I don't even mind him never saying whether a horse will take part in a race or not. He consitently refuses to answer questions about his horses and where they are due to run and IF they will run if they are declared. (As he did with his Oaks contender)

But in this case he several times (including with a week or so to go) stated New approach would NOT be going. He stated "I left him in by mistake he will not go for the Derby" ..that's not on.
The entire betting market for the Derby changed when people were told New Approach would not be running. People tore up their ante-post betting slips and got on with their lives. The racing public was surprised that he would not run as it was the natural race for Bolger to take the horse but OK..NOONE complained at that time.
A new betting market was formed and people placed bets on other horses at shorter prices.
2 weeks before the race it was noticed that New Approach was still declared for the race, Jim Bolger stated "I forgot to take him out of the race, he will definitely not go" when he was asked about this...punters went about their business and picked their derby horse and NOONE complained.

Then a few days later we hear that "New Approach will go for the derby!" Wait a minute! 2 days ago, he was a definite non-runner. What changed in them 2 days? "He came out of the Irish guinneas very well"....my arse! He didn't just cost punters money once but twice simply because he either didn't have a clue about what to do with this horse or because he treats punters with nothing but contempt..and that's not on.

This was not a training performance from Jim Bolger..really it wasn't..he didn't prep him for the race..he is just very very lucky that the horse is something special and that his jockey rode a superb race to find that gap up the rail.

[TightEnd]

this is an interesting issue

The trouble, of course, boils down to money. In most parts of the world, racing is usually at least 80 per cent funded by government-owned monopoly betting companies that work along similar lines to Britain's Tote, pooling everyone's stakes and sharing them out between winning punters (less deductions for costs and tax). In the UK, however, the Tote is far from being the sole source of funding. All onshore bookies currently pay 10 per cent of their gross profits on horseracing as a statutory levy, overseen by the Government, via legislation dating from the 1960s, when betting shops were legalised.

The levy accounts for at least a third of racecourses' income, but it has been falling, from a high of £102m in 2003-04 to £90m in the 2006-07 tax year.

the other two thirds comes from sponsorship (granted some by bookies), tv rights, etc etc

Yes punters are important, but I don't think requiring trainers or other connections to give them perfect information or less stringently accurate information is necessary for a thriving industry. For the trainer over and above training fees, share of prize money and if applicable shares of stud fees are where its at

[boldie]

this is an interesting issue

The trouble, of course, boils down to money. In most parts of the world, racing is usually at least 80 per cent funded by government-owned monopoly betting companies that work along similar lines to Britain's Tote, pooling everyone's stakes and sharing them out between winning punters (less deductions for costs and tax). In the UK, however, the Tote is far from being the sole source of funding. All onshore bookies currently pay 10 per cent of their gross profits on horseracing as a statutory levy, overseen by the Government, via legislation dating from the 1960s, when betting shops were legalised.

The levy accounts for at least a third of racecourses' income, but it has been falling, from a high of £102m in 2003-04 to £90m in the 2006-07 tax year.

the other two thirds comes from sponsorship (granted some by bookies), tv rights, etc etc

Yes punters are important, but I don't think requiring trainers or other connections to give them perfect information or less stringently accurate information is necessary for a thriving industry. For the trainer over and above training fees, share of prize money and if applicable shares of stud fees are where its at

fair point..It just bothers me that he's the only trainer who consistently does this and this time he really over did it.

[Maxriddles]

Don't know why Jim Bolger is trying him in the Derby, I don't think there's a hope that New Approach will get the distance.

I'm going for a bit of an outsider in Kandahar Run. 

Just back from holiday but this post came to mind as soon as I saw the result from the Derby.

Oops, got that one a bit wrong then!