oh boy..more nanny state?

[madasahatstand]

Way 2 go.another unenforceable law reaches the statute books,bloody waste of taxpayers money.why don,t they concentrate on the failing economy.

BTW what does that mobile phone icon next to bhoywonders post mean? and the page icons on everyone elses posts that I've only just noticed, are they new?

means i am in work skiving and on my mobile...lol

they havent found out a way to check my history file..give it time though,they will...

on a similar note we had tyre fitters in the other day and they have sat nav's installed which flashes a warning to the boss when they drive off the path they are meant to be on...obviously to keep an eye on them and to stop em abusing the company vehicles..so for them the big brother state has truely arrived...the driver told me the other day on a quiet afternoon he went for a haircut after trying with no avail to phone his boss..he got a final warning for that...

this country has problems,

come the revolution

Ready and able

[wader leg]

means i am in work skiving and on my mobile...lol

Ahh I get it now, cheers


As for the haircut he should have tried the old "my hair grew during work time so I got it cut during work time" trick

[nirvana]

I like the bit where they say he's "working on a new set of guidelines" - if the guidelines are good then that's it sorted then!

[gatso]

In Scotland there is evidence that a high percentage of folk with long term drink problems started drinking under the supervision of parents at 13-15 years old.

that line means nothing and it is using so called evidence like this with false logic that leads to a lot of ignorant conclusions.

I'm sure if we look into it we'll find that in Scotland there is evidence that a high percentage of folk with long term drink problems went to the zoo under the supervision of parents at 13-15 years old.

no causal relationship is implied by either your sentence or mine.

it may well be the case that drinking with parents as a kid causes drink problems later in life but it certainly can't be shown by the evidence you refer to.

[Maxriddles]

Personally I think this current piece of nannying from Gord and his gophers is another piece of nonsense, heaven forbid that they actually come up with something useful, but there was a very interesting article on Scottish TV today about a pilot in Armadale in West Lothian to tackle bevvied up youngsters which seems to be working a treat.

If I could be arsed looking (I can't) I would post a link but if anyone is interested enough I'm sure you can find it through google.

Buckfast was the young folks drink of choice where I grew up and I believe it still is, however where I live now I saw some local youngsters getting stuck into a £10 bottle of Chardonnay, I do imagine that they probably nicked it right enough.

My parents taught me well where drink is concerned but if only they'd remembered to mention that once full of the drink you should refrain from playing sit n go poker, I  now know this to be true but the drunken sit n go habit has a firm hold on me.........can the priory help with this?

[madasahatstand]

In Scotland there is evidence that a high percentage of folk with long term drink problems started drinking under the supervision of parents at 13-15 years old.

that line means nothing and it is using so called evidence like this with false logic that leads to a lot of ignorant conclusions.

I'm sure if we look into it we'll find that in Scotland there is evidence that a high percentage of folk with long term drink problems went to the zoo under the supervision of parents at 13-15 years old.

no causal relationship is implied by either your sentence or mine.

it may well be the case that drinking with parents as a kid causes drink problems later in life but it certainly can't be shown by the evidence you refer to.

Actually its statistically sound. It means that there is a high correlation among those with long term problems that started off in their living rooms with their parents at that age. That is important but whats more important are lots of other varibales involved..i.e.  what was the parenting like. I dont know how you can say it means nothing. It shows a clear trend which you can then start looking at in detail. Research and evidence mean everything but maybe I should have explained what the significance was so you were a little clearer. Without it people wouldnt live so long and new medical treatments wouldnt exist, neither would technology.  Talking about technology, did anyone watcch the gadget show last night?....awesome

If you want to start off a culture change you need to know where you are starting from so the evidence clearly means something.

[madasahatstand]

In Scotland there is evidence that a high percentage of folk with long term drink problems started drinking under the supervision of parents at 13-15 years old.

that line means nothing and it is using so called evidence like this with false logic that leads to a lot of ignorant conclusions.

I'm sure if we look into it we'll find that in Scotland there is evidence that a high percentage of folk with long term drink problems went to the zoo under the supervision of parents at 13-15 years old.

no causal relationship is implied by either your sentence or mine.

it may well be the case that drinking with parents as a kid causes drink problems later in life but it certainly can't be shown by the evidence you refer to.

ah i read this again. its the way i present the evidence that means you cannot extract the info you need?  lololol, this isnt a lecture and using the example of the zoo is just plain silly. if 50 of my friends drink with parents and 50 dont but 40/50 that did have long term problems, i think that tells you loads. I'll make sure i tidy up future posts when i quote evidence 

[boldie]

In Scotland there is evidence that a high percentage of folk with long term drink problems started drinking under the supervision of parents at 13-15 years old.

that line means nothing and it is using so called evidence like this with false logic that leads to a lot of ignorant conclusions.

I'm sure if we look into it we'll find that in Scotland there is evidence that a high percentage of folk with long term drink problems went to the zoo under the supervision of parents at 13-15 years old.

no causal relationship is implied by either your sentence or mine.

it may well be the case that drinking with parents as a kid causes drink problems later in life but it certainly can't be shown by the evidence you refer to.

ah i read this again. its the way i present the evidence that means you cannot extract the info you need?  lololol, this isnt a lecture and using the example of the zoo is just plain silly. if 50 of my friends drink with parents and 50 dont but 40/50 that did have long term problems, i think that tells you loads. I'll make sure i tidy up future posts when i quote evidence 

Yes, it tells you that their parents are poor parents and you should hang out with a different crowd

It's the "Drinking to get drunk" culture that is rife in the UK that is causing it. Parents do it and they do it in front of their kids..that makes them poor parents IMO.

[Ginger]

Yes, it tells you that their parents are poor parents and you should hang out with a different crowd

It's the "Drinking to get drunk" culture that is rife in the UK that is causing it. Parents do it and they do it in front of their kids..that makes them poor parents IMO.

Teaching you children to respect alcohol is just as important as any other part of parenting. As you say Boldie, we have gotten to a point where having a social drink is not possible, and kids now drink until they can't stand up or they don't bother.

I was a child in a family that taught from a very young age what alcohol was, and to enjoy it in a social setting, in moderation. I do the same to my children now and I'm hopeful that I've removed the mystery element of it, the need to try something 'forbidden' to excess....  I'm glad to say I have a teenager that shows no desire to go out and get drunk/have a drink.

[boldie]

Yes, it tells you that their parents are poor parents and you should hang out with a different crowd

It's the "Drinking to get drunk" culture that is rife in the UK that is causing it. Parents do it and they do it in front of their kids..that makes them poor parents IMO.

Teaching you children to respect alcohol is just as important as any other part of parenting. As you say Boldie, we have gotten to a point where having a social drink is not possible, and kids now drink until they can't stand up or they don't bother.

I was a child in a family that taught from a very young age what alcohol was, and to enjoy it in a social setting, in moderation. I do the same to my children now and I'm hopeful that I've removed the mystery element of it, the need to try something 'forbidden' to excess....  I'm glad to say I have a teenager that shows no desire to go out and get drunk/have a drink.

Well said. You're a wise lady..lousy taste in men, obviously, but a wise lady nonetheless

[kinboshi]

Yes, it tells you that their parents are poor parents and you should hang out with a different crowd

It's the "Drinking to get drunk" culture that is rife in the UK that is causing it. Parents do it and they do it in front of their kids..that makes them poor parents IMO.

Teaching you children to respect alcohol is just as important as any other part of parenting. As you say Boldie, we have gotten to a point where having a social drink is not possible, and kids now drink until they can't stand up or they don't bother.

I was a child in a family that taught from a very young age what alcohol was, and to enjoy it in a social setting, in moderation. I do the same to my children now and I'm hopeful that I've removed the mystery element of it, the need to try something 'forbidden' to excess....  I'm glad to say I have a teenager that shows no desire to go out and get drunk/have a drink.

Which is exactly how they treat alcohol in France and other European countries (although in Germany and Holland they also seem to like to drink to excess).

The media are portraying this as a new thing.  It happened when I was a child, and I'm sure it happened before then.  Probably didn't happen too much during the war or maybe soon after, but only because of a supply issue (would be interested to know if that's true or not).

[boldie]

Yes, it tells you that their parents are poor parents and you should hang out with a different crowd

It's the "Drinking to get drunk" culture that is rife in the UK that is causing it. Parents do it and they do it in front of their kids..that makes them poor parents IMO.

Teaching you children to respect alcohol is just as important as any other part of parenting. As you say Boldie, we have gotten to a point where having a social drink is not possible, and kids now drink until they can't stand up or they don't bother.

I was a child in a family that taught from a very young age what alcohol was, and to enjoy it in a social setting, in moderation. I do the same to my children now and I'm hopeful that I've removed the mystery element of it, the need to try something 'forbidden' to excess....  I'm glad to say I have a teenager that shows no desire to go out and get drunk/have a drink.

Which is exactly how they treat alcohol in France and other European countries (although in Germany and Holland they also seem to like to drink to excess).

The media are portraying this as a new thing.  It happened when I was a child, and I'm sure it happened before then.  Probably didn't happen too much during the war or maybe soon after, but only because of a supply issue (would be interested to know if that's true or not).

Que? Where did this little snippet of information come from?..Though admittedly it might be a new thing, it never used to be the case.

[Jon MW]

...

The media are portraying this as a new thing.  It happened when I was a child, and I'm sure it happened before then.  Probably didn't happen too much during the war or maybe soon after, but only because of a supply issue (would be interested to know if that's true or not).

The extent to which it is happening is a new thing though - and this is backed up by good statistics - i.e. hospital admissions for children with drink related injuries and illnesses.

It's a fairly deep rooted problem, the change to society which creates the 'drinking to excess' culture has taken 20 to 30 years to get to the state it's in now, it will take some doing to undo.

[Ginger]

Yes, it tells you that their parents are poor parents and you should hang out with a different crowd

It's the "Drinking to get drunk" culture that is rife in the UK that is causing it. Parents do it and they do it in front of their kids..that makes them poor parents IMO.

Teaching you children to respect alcohol is just as important as any other part of parenting. As you say Boldie, we have gotten to a point where having a social drink is not possible, and kids now drink until they can't stand up or they don't bother.

I was a child in a family that taught from a very young age what alcohol was, and to enjoy it in a social setting, in moderation. I do the same to my children now and I'm hopeful that I've removed the mystery element of it, the need to try something 'forbidden' to excess....  I'm glad to say I have a teenager that shows no desire to go out and get drunk/have a drink.

Which is exactly how they treat alcohol in France and other European countries (although in Germany and Holland they also seem to like to drink to excess).

The media are portraying this as a new thing.  It happened when I was a child, and I'm sure it happened before then.  Probably didn't happen too much during the war or maybe soon after, but only because of a supply issue (would be interested to know if that's true or not).

Que? Where did this little snippet of information come from?..Though admittedly it might be a new thing, it never used to be the case.

Got to say I was a little suprised by that too, as it was partly through my family living in Germany for many years (being born there myself) that introduced my parents to this way of thinking.

[Ginger]

if 50 of my friends drink with parents and 50 dont but 40/50 that did have long term problems, i think that tells you loads. I'll make sure i tidy up future posts when i quote evidence 

LoL just reading back through this thread I spotted this.....

We have solved the problem folks, it's not the parents to blame, it's Mad driving everyone to drink!