You are the ref 1

[matt674]

If i am the referee (which is the title of the piece) then i wouldn't have allowed the situation to happen in the first place. Granted there may be a few rumblings from the attacking team for not allowing the game to go on and messers lineker, hansen and lawrenson may have mentioned it for a moment or two on television that evening but at the end of the day i'll still be given the Man Utd vs Chelsea game to referee the weekend after.

Allow play to continue and for that senario to occur will mean that whatever decision is made will be the wrong one, there will be arguements all over the show from players and playing staff from both teams, every tv channel from BBC to QVC will be discussing it for weeks and i find myself refereeing Bognor Regis vs Dorset Town in the Beazer Homes League.

[matt674]

Game stops immediately after the challenge, offender gets sent off and treatment is allowed for the player injured.

If the challenge was only worthy of a yellow card then the game continues, the goal stands and the player then gets booked but for red card offence it is stopped immediately to stop scenario described from happening.

They are all fair answers, but the fact remains that play HAS been allowed to continue, and the best referees out there are the ones who can spot a good advantage and allow play to continue.. Blow whistle after save imo..

p.s. the answer you give here is the same as mine, the question asks what do you do when the goal is scored

[matt674]

Blow whistle after save imo..

Just had a thought, not a qualified referee so may be wrong on this point but once you allow play to continue, then i thought it wasnt possible to then stop the game without the ball going out of play?

[gatso]

They are all fair answers, but the fact remains that play HAS been allowed to continue, and the best referees out there are the ones who can spot a good advantage and allow play to continue.. Blow whistle after save imo..

while the bit in bold is true for bookable offences it does not apply in this situation as the rules of the game do not allow the ref to play advantage here as it is a red card offence and the fouled player must've been in his own half so it would actually be a bad ref that allowed an advantage here

[Rooky9]

Blow whistle after save imo..

Just had a thought, not a qualified referee so may be wrong on this point but once you allow play to continue, then i thought it wasnt possible to then stop the game without the ball going out of play?

A referee can stop a game whenever he wants.

[matt674]

i thought the only time he could stop the game without the ball going out of play or without an infringment taking place was if a player was injured and the referee thought that it was bad enough that treatment was needed?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

i thought the only time he could stop the game without the ball going out of play or without an infringment taking place was if a player was injured and the referee thought that it was bad enough that treatment was needed?

Indeed, if he stopped the game whenever he wanted I am sure he would get more of a telling off than if he let it play like he did in this scenario.

[Rooky9]

i thought the only time he could stop the game without the ball going out of play or without an infringment taking place was if a player was injured and the referee thought that it was bad enough that treatment was needed?

Indeed, if he stopped the game whenever he wanted I am sure he would get more of a telling off than if he let it play like he did in this scenario.

Ref can stop it whenever he wants to. Obviously he's not just going to stop it for a rest and the most likely reason would be because of someone was injured. Others you may see...... a dog running on the field etc!!

In effect he would be stopping it because of there no longer being an advantage and he is bringing it back for the initial infridgemnet. That advantage rule is still a little bit too grey for my liking.

[matt674]

In effect he would be stopping it because of there no longer being an advantage and he is bringing it back for the initial infridgemnet. That advantage rule is still a little bit too grey for my liking.

but once he waves play on he then cant stop it for the initial infringement can he?

[gatso]

this is the FIFA rule that relates to whether the advantage should be played

Advantage
Referees should consider the following circumstances in deciding whether to apply the advantage
or stop play:
• The severity of the offence. If the infringement warrants an expulsion, the referee shall
stop play and send the player off unless there is a subsequent opportunity to score a goal.
• The position where the offence was committed: the closer to the opponents’ goal, the
more effective it can be.
• The chances of an immediate, dangerous attack on the opponents’ goal.
• The atmosphere of the match.
The decision to penalise the original offence must be taken within the next few seconds.
If the offence warrants a caution, it shall be issued at the next stoppage. However, unless there is
a clear advantage, it is recommended that the referee stops play and cautions the player
immediately. If the caution is NOT issued at the next stoppage, it cannot be shown later.
Injured players
The referee shall adhere to the following procedure when dealing with injured players:
Play is allowed to continue until the ball is out of play if a player is, in the opinion of the referee,
only slightly injured
• Play is stopped if, in the opinion of the referee, a player is seriously injured
• After questioning the injured player, the referee may authorise one, or at most two
doctors, to enter the field of play to assess the injury and arrange the player’s safe and
swift removal from the field of play

so the ref needs to decide within a couple of seconds whether there is a goal scoring opputunity. if not he must stop play.

he must also decide if the player is seriously injured and stop play if he believes that he is.

[matt674]

what about offside?

[gatso]

what about offside?

what about it?

[matt674]

do FIFA have a step by step definitive rule on it?

[gatso]

here you go. I thought it was only women that don't get offside, must be women and monkeys

Offside Position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than
both the ball and the second last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
he is in his own half of the field of play
or
he is level with the second last opponent
or
he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only
penalised if, at the moment the ball touches
or is played by one of his team, he is, in the
opinion of the referee, involved in active play
by:
interfering with play
or
interfering with an opponent
or
gaining an advantage by being in that
position
No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player
receives the ball directly from:
a goal kick
or
a throw-in
or
a corner kick
Infringements/Sanctions
For any offside offence, the referee awards an
indirect free kick to the opposing team to be
taken from the place where the infringement
occurred.

International F.A.
Board Decision 1
In the definition of offside position,
“nearer to his opponents’ goal line”
means that any part of his head, body
or feet is nearer to his opponents’ goal
line than both the ball and the second
last opponent. The arms are not
included in this definition.
Decision 2
The definitions of elements of
involvement in active play are as
follows:
Interfering with play means playing
or touching the ball passed or touched
by a team-mate
Interfering with an opponent means
preventing an opponent from playing
or being able to play the ball by
clearly obstructing the opponent’s line
of vision or movements or making a
gesture or movement which, in the
opinion of the referee, deceives or
distracts an opponent
Gaining an advantage by being in
that position means playing a ball that
rebounds to him off a goal-post or the
crossbar having been in an offside
position or playing the ball that
rebounds to him off an opponent
having been in an offside position

[Colchester Kev]

If I was the Ref and the offending player was Drogba, I would immediately stop the game and have him shot.


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