£150 freezeeout at bolton last night

[Thekellster89]

Hi guys i'm new to the forum, just got a few key hands from my comp last night i'd like sum advice on cheers.

hand 1:

Blinds 1k/2k , avg stack 30k. me 40k , bb 40k.

got a good read on the big blind from conversation as much as anything and determine he's scared money (thus i am looking to steal his blind quite frequently)  but he's a good solid player.

folded to me in cut-off i  have q9o and go to raise but then think better of it and elect to limp for 2k, hoping to play a small pot with position on the blinds.
button folds sb limps bb checks.
ok 6k in pot.
flop AK2 rainbow.
chheck to me and i fire 3500 into the 6k looking to take it down.
sb folds , bb cr's to 8500.
now taking note of his image (scared money), i make it 18.5k  (10k more)
he thinks for a while before telling me he'd love to shove but he could be drawing dead and passes a9 face up.
at this point my ego gets the better of me and i show hiim q9 to try and tilt him a little, but a muck wouldve probably been better for my image.

hand 2:

blinds 1.5k/3k avg stack 35k. me 50k. utg 40k. button 25k.

utg limps folded round to button who makes it 7k!!!
i'm on big blind with 44 and elect to call the 4k to try and hit a set and break button or utg (who i assume will flat)
he does and flop comes j62 rainbow.
22.5k in pot, and i feel at this point that i can take it down unless one of them is playing AA.KK.QQ OR AJ.
so i lead for 10k and utg folds , button dwells and pushes for 7.5k extra.
i consider passing but 7.5 to win 55kish i elect to call and try and get lucky.
he shows AJ and takes it down.

hand 3:

crapshoot time

blinds 3k/6k 15remain 9 get paid avg stack 55k.
i have 40k.
were 7 handed and i get  utg.
and push all in hoping i dont run into 88-AA, but ideally every1 folds and i add 25% to my stack.
every1 folds to bb who has me covered with 60k and calls with  .
he holds and i finish in 15th.

[deputydawg]

I played this last night and sat to your left at two tables including the one where you went out with 86s and got the impression that with your image you were likely to get called with 72o as you seem to have got most players backs up

Perhaps working on this may be something to consider as people are perhaps less likely to call someone 'likeable' and not so blatantly 'at it'

Just my thoughts though we never clashed in a pot

PS I made FT but pushed my KT into AQ with the blinds at 6/12k - board AKxTA sick sick sick

[MANTIS01]

I wouldn't worry too much about whether you're liked at the table but I would suggest tuning in more to how you appear to the other players and how you're going to play this image in future hands.

I mean showing the Q-9 is ok if you have a definite purpose for doing so. Just to tilt a random guy isn't a perceptive use of that show. Because a few hands later you're trying to take down another pot with 4-4. People recall vividly what you showed last time and tend to pidgeon-hole you accordingly. If you show the Q-9 with an absolute intention of playing strength next time then this is a workable strategy. If you show the bluff and then play weakness strongly next time you will probably meet resistence.

I think the fact that you lost track of your image and how it would work best for you is the reason for your demise in this tournament. That and calling to hit a set but fecking that strat off and shooting at the pot anyway when you don't. Bare in mind that there are decent players out there who will be waiting for you to do this based on how you have behaved thus far.

[deputydawg]

I wouldn't worry too much about whether you're liked at the table but I would suggest tuning in more to how you appear to the other players and how you're going to play this image in future hands.

I mean showing the Q-9 is ok if you have a definite purpose for doing so. Just to tilt a random guy isn't a perceptive use of that show. Because a few hands later you're trying to take down another pot with 4-4. People recall vividly what you showed last time and tend to pidgeon-hole you accordingly. If you show the Q-9 with an absolute intention of playing strength next time then this is a workable strategy. If you show the bluff and then play weakness strongly next time you will probably meet resistence.

I think the fact that you lost track of your image and how it would work best for you is the reason for your demise in this tournament. That and calling to hit a set but fecking that strat off and shooting at the pot anyway when you don't. Bare in mind that there are decent players out there who will be waiting for you to do this based on how you have behaved thus far.

That's kind of what I meant to say, though it is rare for several players to express their feelings about a player in the way I saw twice last night when he arrived at the two tables I was on and be as happy when a player is knocked out. That should give an insight in to the image he had created whether intentional or not

[AlexMartin]

Hand 1, jesus you got ridic lucky. How he doesnt snap call you there i honestly dont know. What story are you telling him? However, nice read of scared money and i guess some ppl are dumb so WP there. FWIW ur repping nothing, AA/KK/AK dont play that fast to a check-raise usually at this stage, AQ-A10 you are uber likely to have raised with pre, no other combinations of hand and i doubt you play ace rag so superstrong against a checkraise. 22/air means good player prolly looks you up here.

Hand2, yeah its prolly worth a punt to see the flop. I like the lead, they prolly wont make moves on you and its a fairly safe board, a lot of midpairs might fold and you might have the best hand. Prolly raise slightly less so you dont feel commited to the push from shorty. 

Hand 3, might be better to just be a pushbot in the blinds + from late position rather than here with 6 to get through. Not sure though, ur play can never be bad here thats for sure, unless ur image really is terrible.

basically, lol donkaments

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: deputydawg

That's kind of what I meant to say, though it is rare for several players to express their feelings about a player in the way I saw twice last night when he arrived at the two tables I was on and be as happy when a player is knocked out. That should give an insight in to the image he had created whether intentional or not

Fair point. So the guy needs to be aware that this emotion is going to bring his oppo's calling range down. As such he needs to be tightening up a bit because people are looking to bust him. After showing a stinging bluff to these people playing 4-4 and 6-8 so strongly is prob going to mean game over. And it did.

I would also say that if this is the plan.....

got a good read on the big blind from conversation as much as anything and determine he's scared money (thus i am looking to steal his blind quite frequently)

Showing the bluff is not the best tactic in the world to achieve this goal. A simple tap of the table and "nice fold" does the job much better. Why would you tilt the guy whose blind you're intending to steal frequently?

[A_Leper]

Hand 1, jesus you got ridic lucky. How he doesnt snap call you there i honestly dont know. What story are you telling him? However, nice read of scared money and i guess some ppl are dumb so WP there. FWIW ur repping nothing, AA/KK/AK dont play that fast to a check-raise usually at this stage, AQ-A10 you are uber likely to have raised with pre, no other combinations of hand and i doubt you play ace rag so superstrong against a checkraise. 22/air means good player prolly looks you up here.

Totally agree with this. Pretty horrendous that your oppenent folded in my opinion.

On the 44 hand, you say you call pre to hit a set, then when the flop comes you suddenly change your mind and decide to bluff quite blindly. Usually good to have a consistent line of thought, although obviously there are some situations where you need to change you mind, I'm not sure this was one of them.

[action man]

shove or fold hand 2, stacks are not deep enough to set mine here. its a pretty bad lead on the flop with your image and the fact that you are forced to call the shorties push.

hand 1 good read on player.

hand 3, meh, you killed yourself showing the Q9, and got too short, i probs still jam with your image in a live game because of the cluelessness of the players, online i fold.

[EvilPie]

Hand 1 - If you've been stealing his blind frequently this should have been exactly the opportunity he was looking for. Can't understand why he would check raise then fold to a reraise. That's very weak against a player with the reputation we're assuming you've developed. This could've gone horribly wrong.

One thing I would say with showing bluffs like this is "DON'T". If it's a steal when your low stacked then fair enough show a few but when it's a complex bluff like this one you're representing such a strong hand that you just can't show it!! Let him think he's made a good fold. If you put him on tilt he's far more likely to call you later or just reraise you all in next time you go for his big blind.

Also now that you've stolen a nice big pot off him give him a break for a few rounds. Maybe even flat call his big blind and let him win one back. Lose a few little ones then look at winning a nice big pot further down the line.

Hand 2 - Given your image and the stack/pot sizes I would extend utg's shoving range well beyond AJ or an overpair. Try A6 or any pair 7's or higher. Possibly even 2 over cards to the board. You're very likely to get looked up here. He's not got a lot to lose. Once he shoves you know you're behind but once again the ego got the better of you. Were you scared that he might show you a bluff? I know 7.5k in to 50k seems cheap but it's a 10 to 1 shot with 7 to 1 pot odds. Also 7.5k was 30% of your stack at this stage which is a lot to try to hit a 4.

Probably should have bet a bit less and been ready to fold if you get called or raised.

Hand 3 - 6 8 suited wouldn't be good enough for me utg with 7 big blinds left. Button or in the blinds then yes but utg 7 handed I think not unless I had a very tight image. If you get looked up you're likely to be in very bad shape so you're basically wanting everyone to fold. I like to get my money in wanting a call for a chance to double not hoping for a walk because I'm desperate to survive.

That said you didn't really do anything wrong it's just not how I would've done it. Most hands he folds and you nearly got this one through.

[action man]

people who show bluffs are either,

• trying to be cocky
• mugs

if you show a bluff the main reason behind it is to wait until you get a monster and play it in the same way to generate action. I dont get monsters that often and more likely than not the net big hand im in i wont have it...... or

• card racks