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« on: June 20, 2008, 12:43:57 PM »

Last 3 of $50 mtt. Payouts $650, $1100, $2000 ish.

Hero has 46k (D)
Villain has 50k
Shorty has 14k. (BB)


Blinds at 1k/2k

Hero raises 7k w 99. Villain shoves. Considering how short shorty is, is this a clear fold always? Villain appeared better than most, with an idea of how to play and deffo capable of situational moves.
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 01:40:26 PM »

Last 3 of $50 mtt. Payouts $650, $1100, $2000 ish.

Hero has 46k (D)
Villain has 50k
Shorty has 14k. (BB)


Blinds at 1k/2k

Hero raises 7k w 99. Villain shoves. Considering how short shorty is, is this a clear fold always? Villain appeared better than most, with an idea of how to play and deffo capable of situational moves.

yes...well for me it is...but I'm shit. I'd call this a 450$ fold and get rid of them.....but I would probably hate myself for doing so if I still go out in 3rd.
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 02:48:10 PM »

Why not see it as a $2000 win call.

Call, win, win the tourney.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 04:03:35 PM »

Why not see it as a $2000 win call.

Call, win, win the tourney.

 
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 04:43:43 PM »

I fold here.
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 04:49:26 PM »

i know its not the question, but anyone consider the push pre on the button here?

takes this sort of tough spot away (of course the big stack can always have a hand behind, but usually won't)
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 04:50:32 PM »

I think its a close call - your equity goes up to about 2/3 of the remaining prize fund (!st and 2nd) and is about 38% if you fold.  I'm sure that you are at least 60% vs his range making it a call with equity of about 40% if you do.
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 05:00:46 PM »

I think its a close call - your equity goes up to about 2/3 of the remaining prize fund (!st and 2nd) and is about 38% if you fold.  I'm sure that you are at least 60% vs his range making it a call with equity of about 40% if you do.

Revised verdict now fold after pokerstoving - he's got to be pushing with a whole lot of crap to get the required 60%.......
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 05:03:52 PM »

Yeah but it is Alex afterall.

Snap call FTW!
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 05:09:11 PM »


I'm - predictably - folding quickly. Easier spots, better spots.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 05:20:46 PM »

I don't know what i would do until i am in this situation tbh..

Depends on mood, lol.. I was in a similar situation a couple of months or so ago..

3 left, I am 110k, 2nd is 90k, and guy is sitting out on 35k with the blinds at 2.5/5k... Button 2nd CL raises to 15k, i obv jam from sb and he passes.. I jam every hand until shortie has about 6k remaining and 5k in on the bb, when the 2nd guy folds from the button and i fold he shouts for collusion! lol
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 05:56:17 PM »

If you had less chips you would snap-call in a second. The fact is you probably have the best hand here and could well be dominating a smaller pair. No doubt a reasonable player is going to use the shorty situation to squeeze you off your hand so it's a critical moment. Villain wants control of this situation and so do I. So I call.
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 06:22:00 PM »

If you had less chips you would snap-call in a second. The fact is you probably have the best hand here and could well be dominating a smaller pair. No doubt a reasonable player is going to use the shorty situation to squeeze you off your hand so it's a critical moment. Villain wants control of this situation and so do I. So I call.

Not saying you're wrong..but calling doesn't mean you're in control of the situation..the jam means he is.
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 07:29:05 PM »

I don't know what i would do until i am in this situation tbh..

Depends on mood, lol.. I was in a similar situation a couple of months or so ago..

3 left, I am 110k, 2nd is 90k, and guy is sitting out on 35k with the blinds at 2.5/5k... Button 2nd CL raises to 15k, i obv jam from sb and he passes.. I jam every hand until shortie has about 6k remaining and 5k in on the bb, when the 2nd guy folds from the button and i fold he shouts for collusion! lol

go on, tell the world lol. keep quiet ffs!!
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 08:19:59 PM »

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Not saying you're wrong..but calling doesn't mean you're in control of the situation..the jam means he is.

His jam can be seen as him asking whether you are going to submit to him controlling the situation, not that he's got control just yet. There are only 5 better starting hands than yours so calling puts you firmly back in control of the situation most of the time. People would snap-call FTW here if it was HU. Trying to ladder 3-handed can often lead to later all-ins with worse than this.
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