You are the TD

[scotty2hatty]

i apore soft play and collusion

what does this mean please?

[TightEnd]

he means deplore.

I think

he's beyond salvation.

[gatso]

I can't imagine any reason why some sort of Flop Bet was not made, if not by A-Q man, then certainly by K-K man, & that assumes the pre-flop play was "correct".

but now we're getting in to the realms of punishing people for not playing a hand 'well'.  We all play hands badly from time to time.......

It was a £100 Comp, not a £5 Rookie job, & the players knew - trust me - exactly how they'd play this against anyone else.....

....but can we have a rule in place which can be enforced at one level but not at another? 

you don't need to. rules don't have a fixed penalty so at your fiver rookie night you hand out warnings and explain why, with more experienced players who clearly know that what they're doing is wrong you shoot them and then make them sit out 2 orbits

[scotty2hatty]

I can't imagine any reason why some sort of Flop Bet was not made, if not by A-Q man, then certainly by K-K man, & that assumes the pre-flop play was "correct".

but now we're getting in to the realms of punishing people for not playing a hand 'well'.  We all play hands badly from time to time.......

It was a £100 Comp, not a £5 Rookie job, & the players knew - trust me - exactly how they'd play this against anyone else.....

....but can we have a rule in place which can be enforced at one level but not at another? 

you don't need to. rules don't have a fixed penalty so at your fiver rookie night you hand out warnings and explain why, with more experienced players who clearly know that what they're doing is wrong you shoot them and then make them sit out 2 orbits

The amount of buyin isn't always a sign of knowledge (or ability)!

[gatso]

no but the words rookie and experienced were used with good reason

[tikay]

Let's forget the actual play of the hand in question.

We know it goes on, & we know one of the most experiencecd (ex?) TD's in UK Poker knows it - he said as much.

So, Phase 2. What we do do about it? All this "well we can't really do anything" does not wash with me. Why are we so scared of punishing, possibly, a few "innocent" players (it's only, on first strike, an Orbit or two) rather than being pro-active & actually dealing with what is a serious & growing problem?

Why are we all so damn scared of grasping this nettle?

[tikay]

I can't imagine any reason why some sort of Flop Bet was not made, if not by A-Q man, then certainly by K-K man, & that assumes the pre-flop play was "correct".

but now we're getting in to the realms of punishing people for not playing a hand 'well'.  We all play hands badly from time to time.......

It was a £100 Comp, not a £5 Rookie job, & the players knew - trust me - exactly how they'd play this against anyone else.....

....but can we have a rule in place which can be enforced at one level but not at another? 

you don't need to. rules don't have a fixed penalty so at your fiver rookie night you hand out warnings and explain why, with more experienced players who clearly know that what they're doing is wrong you shoot them and then make them sit out 2 orbits

The amount of buyin isn't always a sign of knowledge (or ability)!

Agreed, but you take my point, I'm sure. These guys knew better.

I just don't see why we are bending over backwards to be fair to the suspected colluders, while the guys who play the game properly have no such protection.

[Indestructable]

I go for C as although I understand the sentiment, I don't think you can penalise the other player for not bluffing a pot.

[booder]

how many places were paid?

[TightEnd]

7, all were in the money

payout 1400-900-630-500

[The_duke]

i apore soft play and collusion

what does this mean please?

maybe he means abhor -- there really is no hope for him at all

[Karabiner]

he means deplore.

I think

he's beyond salvation.

I reckon it's abhor..

[celtic]

did the players know each other?

i tried collusion once and my mate knocked me out ffs. It doesnt work in the long run.

[phatomch]

There are rules in play already for this TK in Grosvenors for not playing the game in a sporting fashion, I agree that we should do something about it, but my main concern would be the ability of td's  that would have to decide who was soft playing and who was just playing like a welshman

[Chompy]

did the players know each other?

i tried collusion once and my mate knocked me out ffs. It doesnt work in the long run.

A true friend would fold A10 after raising to 24,000 and it only costs another 6,000 to look up AA. Honestly.