NLHE MTT hand. Call or fold the shove?

[FuglyBaz]

Blinds are $75/$150

Button is at seat 5

Seat 1: robbie33 - $1,420
Seat 2: todder1 - $2,590
Seat 3: AndyPaj - $6,010
Seat 4: barrcode - $2,523
Seat 5: HERO - $2,088
Seat 6: hanihill - $1,625
Seat 7: rootsista - $771
Seat 8: ciawoman - $3,540
Seat 9: WillJW - $4,160
Seat 10: davelchatnoir - $2,523
Moving Button to seat 6
rootsista posts small blind ($75)
ciawoman posts big blind ($150)

Dealing  to HERO

1 fold, davelchatnoir calls $150, 4 folds, HERO raises to $600, 3 folds, davelchatnoir calls $600

Flop = 

davelchatnoir bets $1,923 (all-in)

HERO

[TheChipPrince]

So you have $1400 left?  Folding is burning money here, easy call...

[boldie]

So you have $1400 left?  Folding is burning money here, easy call...

+1

[FuglyBaz]

That's what I thought really. I was a little concerned about the UTG +1 limp as the villain hadn't really done too much wrong all game. And I'm getting a little paranoid about these early position limps now as you never know what the oppo's line is. So naturally AK, AQ and 99 could have featured in his range as easily as the mid-high pairs, which I'm miles ahead of.

So it's still got to be a fairly easy call, given stack sizes and that I am probably ahead of most of the oppo's range?

[Royal Flush]

You forgot to shove pre but have got out of jail with an A hi flop, now your oppo just jams into you which means he can't have you beat unless he is a complete retard

[Rookie (Rodney)]

You forgot to shove pre but have got out of jail with an A hi flop, now your oppo just jams into you which means he can't have you beat unless he is a complete retard

+1,

[FuglyBaz]

You forgot to shove pre but have got out of jail with an A hi flop, now your oppo just jams into you which means he can't have you beat unless he is a complete retard

I've raised the query of when to shove pre before on Matthew Hilgers forum. My personal opinion was that 10xBB is far too small to shove with because you are still in shove/fold mode where as a 14-15BB shove gives you a tiny bit of room for manouevre.

The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember.

Anyway.....I pretty much called immediately, and could not believe my luck when he tabled J2o!!! He'd played pretty well all game then he goes and makes one of the worst plays I've ever seen. Was really surprised.

[Royal Flush]

The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember.

lolz

According to the hendon mob database neither Hilger or Matros have ever won a tournament...

[boldie]

You forgot to shove pre but have got out of jail with an A hi flop, now your oppo just jams into you which means he can't have you beat unless he is a complete retard

I've raised the query of when to shove pre before on Matthew Hilgers forum. My personal opinion was that 10xBB is far too small to shove with because you are still in shove/fold mode where as a 14-15BB shove gives you a tiny bit of room for manouevre.

The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember.

Anyway.....I pretty much called immediately, and could not believe my luck when he tabled J2o!!! He'd played pretty well all game then he goes and makes one of the worst plays I've ever seen. Was really surprised.

14-15BB's with a limper is a shove.

[FuglyBaz]

The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember.

lolz

According to the hendon mob database neither Hilger or Matros have ever won a tournament...

Hilger won the 2002 New Zealand Poker Classic I believe lol.

[MANTIS01]

You can't put a third of your stack in with A-J pre-flop and then have any worry that your hand isn't good enough when you hit post-flop.

[Royal Flush]

The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember.

lolz

According to the hendon mob database neither Hilger or Matros have ever won a tournament...

Hilger won the 2002 New Zealand Poker Classic I believe lol.

Oops missed that, 44 runners pretty sick win!

[AndrewT]

The advice I was given then was to forget shoving with more than 10BB. If I could remember what Matt Matros had to say about it I'd post but I can't remember.

lolz

According to the hendon mob database neither Hilger or Matros have ever won a tournament...

Hilger won the 2002 New Zealand Poker Classic I believe lol.

Oops missed that, 44 runners pretty sick win!

Those Kiwis probably a tough field as well.

[FuglyBaz]

That is a bit harsh lol.

I'm glad people think 14BB stacks should be shoved because that is what I thought.

[anthonyl]

You call and he has A9