good hand reads so why did i make the move?

[stallyon]

last nights weekly pub tourney and my hand reading skills were at an all time high:

i told one woman she had pocket and had hit the straight, she turned over pocket , told another she had hit a full house on the turn, she turned over her full house that she had hit on the turn. both extremely good lay downs by me so why on earth did i make the following 2 bad plays:

1+UTG raises to 1200 with blinds at 200/400. I'm in BB so make the call with Ks9s. 2 other callers. 5k in the pot. Flop comes K44 so i stick in 3k. Initial raiser moves all-in over the top. the other 2 fold leaving me to put in an additional 9400 to call. 9400 to win a pot of about 30k. I ponder it for a while and come to the conclusion that he's playing AK but i make the call thinking he may be playing AQ, AJ, A10 and doesnt like the K. He turns over AK and takes the pot after i dont improve. Grrrr

2nd instance later on:

guy 2 my right is UTG and raises it to 8k with blinds at 2k/4k. He's been playing solid text book poker and I only have 20k left. I move all in with AJ suited even though i suspect he's playing a pocket pair. Everyone folds but him who calls and turns over QQ. And its good night from me.

why did i make the call even though i was right in what they had?

[boldie]

last nights weekly pub tourney and my hand reading skills were at an all time high:

i told one woman she had pocket and had hit the straight, she turned over pocket , told another she had hit a full house on the turn, she turned over her full house that she had hit on the turn. both extremely good lay downs by me so why on earth did i make the following 2 bad plays:

1+UTG raises to 1200 with blinds at 200/400. I'm in BB so make the call with Ks9s. 2 other callers. 5k in the pot. Flop comes K44 so i stick in 3k. Initial raiser moves all-in over the top. the other 2 fold leaving me to put in an additional 9400 to call. 9400 to win a pot of about 30k. I ponder it for a while and come to the conclusion that he's playing AK but i make the call thinking he may be playing AQ, AJ, A10 and doesnt like the K. He turns over AK and takes the pot after i dont improve. Grrrr

2nd instance later on:

guy 2 my right is UTG and raises it to 8k with blinds at 2k/4k. He's been playing solid text book poker and I only have 20k left. I move all in with AJ suited even though i suspect he's playing a pocket pair. Everyone folds but him who calls and turns over QQ. And its good night from me.

why did i make the call even though i was right in what they had?

Hand 1; Why do you say "so I call" with the pretty K9 suited? It's generally not a good idea to make this call. (Though i've done it several times and still find myself doing so occasionally but always curse at myself for it) this part

but i make the call thinking he may be playing AQ, AJ, A10 and doesnt like the K.

no he doesn't like the K, or the 2 fours as he missed the flop. you got married to the hand pre-flop which is why you couldn't lay it down on the flop.

hand 2, standard push but in this case he happened to have a very big hand.

[Girgy85]

Prepare to be ripped to shreds by the pack of hungry hounds!

[LeKnave]

Hand 1: fold pre
Hand 2: fine

[boldie]

Prepare to be ripped to shreds by the pack of hungry hounds!

lol hardly...and any critisism is never personal mate

[the sicilian]

Not keen o the k9 pre flop call o/pos...i know it looks preety but it aint..but if ur gonna play it know when ur beat.....

2nd hand nowt wrong u just run into a bigger hand

[FuglyBaz]

Prepare to be ripped to shreds by the pack of hungry hounds!

We ain't hungry just skint, so get sending that 50p to us

[The_duke]

1. All in pre
2. All in pre

(it's in a pub FFS Corona NFL FTW)

[Grier78]

1. All in pre
2. All in pre

(it's in a pub FFS Corona NFL FTW)

And glass them if they call you.

[stallyon]

i agree with the points on the first call but the way i figured it was only 800 to win 5k - potentially

[boldie]

i agree with the points on the first call but the way i figured it was only 800 to win 5k - potentially

by that reasoning you call with any 2 pre-flop at this stage in the game?

[George2Loose]

i agree with the points on the first call but the way i figured it was only 800 to win 5k - potentially

Most over rated concept in "pub" poker- VALUE!!!!

[stallyon]

i agree with the points on the first call but the way i figured it was only 800 to win 5k - potentially

by that reasoning you call with any 2 pre-flop at this stage in the game?

not ANY 2 but my hand range is larger then usual

[George2Loose]

i agree with the points on the first call but the way i figured it was only 800 to win 5k - potentially

by that reasoning you call with any 2 pre-flop at this stage in the game?

not ANY 2 but my hand range is larger then usual

The reason you should fold pre flop is cos of exactly what happened- you couldn't fold on a K44 flop when it's clear you could be easily dominated.

If u really want to call pre flop (which is a pretty big leak IMO) u should fold top pair 9 kicker- your looking to flop two pair or a flush draw.

[sovietsong]

I wont comment on the hands just the jist of the original post, why do you call when you know your behind? 

I do this far far too much however sometimes I think of all the possible hands that beat me and I know that I'm not passing but when I call and he flips the nut straight I say to myself...I knew he had that!