Set v Nit

[UpTheMariners]

eddie236 16/4/1.04 (296 hands)


***** Pacific Hand History for Game 100998762 *****
$2/$4 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 07 09 13:58:12 2008
Table Jet (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 10: stinkyb ( $404.75 )
Seat 2: gr1msby ( $1485.48 )
Seat 4: eddie236 ( $424 )
Seat 6: iam29 ( $456 )
Seat 7: Laurie86 ( $931.8 )
Seat 9: anderst ( $502.31 )
eddie236 posts small blind [$2].
iam29 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gr1msby [    ]
Laurie86 folds.
anderst folds.
stinkyb folds.
gr1msby raises [$14].
eddie236 calls [$12].
iam29 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [  , , ]
eddie236 checks.
gr1msby bets [$24].
eddie236 calls [$24].
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
eddie236 checks.
gr1msby bets [$62].
eddie236 raises [$124].
gr1msby calls [$62].
** Dealing River ** [ ]
eddie236 bets [$262].
gr1msby....

[WYSINWYG]

Tough spot. IMO this is the way a lot of people play a big/nut flush. Obv he's scared of you catching on so flat calls flop, sees you're still interested on turn, builds the pot, by river is convinced you're going nowhere so puts in a bunch of chips.
Possible occasional scenario (I get in live games but only from weird slags) is that they have at least a good flush draw and want to buy insurance against a failed draw by showing strength like this on the turn to lay the foundations of a bluff on the river. The good news is that only specific types of player make this move, and I'd hope to have enough history on him to rule him out of it. But given its rarity I'm normally putting them on a flopped flush here right at the flat call on the flop. Again, often you can differentiate flopped flush versus draw by previous exposure to the player. Also, what did he call with out of position preflop? Nits love suited Ace x.
I check the turn hoping I can see the board pair for cheap, he has no reason to scare you away on the turn (thus the min reraise).
By the river, you have shown sufficient interest to call some decent bets, so he doesn't let you showdown for free. Also, if you had shown that amount of interest, bluffs really aint gonna work so he ain't making one.
You've been trapped by the turn call, but I think I can still fold the river.
You only lose big with your big hands....
Just my tuppence worth, I await to be shot down lol.

[WYSINWYG]

ps when I say I check the turn, I have already placed a larger flop bet than $24. It's pricing out draws and it's giving a lot more information. If I'd placed a $24 bet on the flop I'm probably betting the turn like you did. When he reraises I'm bricking it and ready to fold on the river, tbh. But it depends on your opponent.

[Royal Flush]

ps when I say I check the turn, I have already placed a larger flop bet than $24. It's pricing out draws and it's giving a lot more information. If I'd placed a $24 bet on the flop I'm probably betting the turn like you did. When he reraises I'm bricking it and ready to fold on the river, tbh. But it depends on your opponent.

Agree its best to bet for information rather than to widen your oppo's range to hands that can't beat you.....


You folded he showed 22?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Just call v quickly - move onto next hand and tilt

[Sunday8pm]

Not read OP - ALLIN

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Not read OP - ALLIN

lol, i was waiting for this.

[boldie]

I don't get/like Villain's min check-raise on the turn...hate that play.


I call here, he could have a small flush but unlikely as he's a nit (and a nit doesn't call your pre-flop raise with small clubs, does he?). I doubt he has a big flush as the min raise on the turn is a stupid bet if he has one..(even if he doesn't as I said above..I just don't like the play but admittedly it might/has confuse(d) me). I call and expect to be ahead here more often than not.

[WYSINWYG]

I don't get/like Villain's min check-raise on the turn...hate that play.


I call here, he could have a small flush but unlikely as he's a nit (and a nit doesn't call your pre-flop raise with small clubs, does he?). I doubt he has a big flush as the min raise on the turn is a stupid bet if he has one..(even if he doesn't as I said above..I just don't like the play but admittedly it might/has confuse(d) me). I call and expect to be ahead here more often than not.

Please explain why he won't have a big flush here or why it's stupid? For me it screams big flush but it's a fairly regular trapping move. How often do you see it folded online? Builds a pot/trap for the river bet. Seems to have worked...

[UpTheMariners]

ps when I say I check the turn, I have already placed a larger flop bet than $24. It's pricing out draws and it's giving a lot more information. If I'd placed a $24 bet on the flop I'm probably betting the turn like you did. When he reraises I'm bricking it and ready to fold on the river, tbh. But it depends on your opponent.

Agree its best to bet for information rather than to widen your oppo's range to hands that can't beat you.....


You folded he showed 22?

i dont think 22 is in his range surely he would want to get it in on the flop? if he wanted to see if a safe turn card comes surely he would charge more as his hand is vulnerable to a flush draw?

[doubleup]

Whats is bb defend %?  if Axs is in that then that is what he surely has.  He def thinks he has the best hand.  The turn check min rs was pot building not timidity.

[bolt pp]

fold

[UpTheMariners]

Whats is bb defend %?  if Axs is in that then that is what he surely has.  He def thinks he has the best hand.  The turn check min rs was pot building not timidity.

fold sb to steal 80% fold bb to steal 84%

[doubleup]

Whats is bb defend %?  if Axs is in that then that is what he surely has.  He def thinks he has the best hand.  The turn check min rs was pot building not timidity.

fold sb to steal 80% fold bb to steal 84%

A few suited aces in that range, so the flush is more likely than a set.  I cant see him playing AcQx like this altho a bizarrely played AxAc is possible I suppose, but the play seems too aggressive. 

[AlexMartin]

fold

quite sick, but i find myself agreeing. 1.04 aggro factor, lol.

think the first time round its best to call the min re-raisers/check raisers, after that it pretty damn reliable and is how they play all their monsters. min re-raisers generally arent good enough to vbet thinner than a flush here imo.