Middling Pairs in the Blind

[snoopy1239]

6-handed 1/2 game, you have $200 in the small blind.

You call a standard $7 preflop raise from trap two of with a middling pocket pair, 7-7 say. Flop comes Q-5-2 rainbow.

What's your next move?

If you reach the turn and river, what are you plans there?

Would you reraise preflop? How much? What do you do on the board if you are called?

No information on opponent. He has similar stack.

[boldie]

The odds to call are always implied in shorthanded when you are OOP and have a hand like that. I need to know my oppo will do his entire stack in if I hit or there is no point flatcalling with them. (just my opinion obviously)
Reraising is not a bad idea for me against some oppos as they reckon you to be a lot more powerful than you really are. Don't like the flat call when up against one unknown player.

On a flop like this as played I fold against most players. You played it to hit a set, just about every turn card other than a seven is going to be a bad one for you. Flatcalling here would be a major leak for me in a cash game (and I've got plenty of those already so don't need another one), I could check raise oppo here if I think it gets him off the hand.

[byronkincaid]

on flop call cbet >>>fold>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>raise

[Longy]

To be pedantic and i know you are giving generic hypothetical situations. Reads are sooooooooo important in this spot, as they are in alot of cash.

Does our opponent raise alot, is it position based. Does he cbet alot, likely to fire a 2nd bullet with air.

If you want my default plan i would flat pre most of the time but not for hand value as well as set value. I would check/call the flop and reasses the turn, as if we are ahead oppo is drawing to less than 6 outs.

[TightEnd]

If you want my default plan i would flat pre most of the time but not for hand value as well as set value. I would check/call the flop and reasses the turn, as if we are ahead oppo is drawing to less than 6 outs.

half the turn cards will "scare" you. Against a good Laggy opponent who may fire again, whats the plan on a) a brick and b) a paint card (just to give two examples)?

[Longy]

If you want my default plan i would flat pre most of the time but not for hand value as well as set value. I would check/call the flop and reasses the turn, as if we are ahead oppo is drawing to less than 6 outs.

half the turn cards will "scare" you. Against a good Laggy opponent who may fire again, whats the plan on a) a brick and b) a paint card (just to give two examples)?

Again this is so table dynamics, game flow and read based. There just isn't a generic answer to this.

Generally without a reason to think our opponent will fire again without it, i would find a fold on most turn cards

[TightEnd]

I accept we don't have enough variables known here to work from

So is the argument that if we're folding on most turns (as default) the few times we'll flop a set or make a draw or whatever,and stack opponent, will long runcompensate for the several bets you lose calling these continuation bets to fold down the streets?

[AlexMartin]

deffo nowhere near enough info on opponent/situation. HU i wouldnt defend oop w 77 v any decent aggressive reg who opened in mp. Id only flat call pre if opponent was a bad nit (TAGfish), or we were 150bb+ deep. You wont get the implied as boldie correctly states versus any decent aggressive opponents and are just bleeding long term. 

[snoopy1239]

To be pedantic and i know you are giving generic hypothetical situations. Reads are sooooooooo important in this spot, as they are in alot of cash.

Does our opponent raise alot, is it position based. Does he cbet alot, likely to fire a 2nd bullet with air.

If you want my default plan i would flat pre most of the time but not for hand value as well as set value. I would check/call the flop and reasses the turn, as if we are ahead oppo is drawing to less than 6 outs.

Reads are not important here, they are irrelevant. We have no information on the player.

Why are you check-calling the flop? Do you plan to lead out on the turn if it comes a blank?

[snoopy1239]

If you want my default plan i would flat pre most of the time but not for hand value as well as set value. I would check/call the flop and reasses the turn, as if we are ahead oppo is drawing to less than 6 outs.

half the turn cards will "scare" you. Against a good Laggy opponent who may fire again, whats the plan on a) a brick and b) a paint card (just to give two examples)?

Again this is so table dynamics, game flow and read based. There just isn't a generic answer to this.

Generally without a reason to think our opponent will fire again without it, i would find a fold on most turn cards

Isn't the fact that he raised preflop reason to think he will fire again? Maybe it's just the games I play, but if someone raises preflop, they almost certainly bet out again on the flop, especially on queen high rainbow.

[AlexMartin]

To be pedantic and i know you are giving generic hypothetical situations. Reads are sooooooooo important in this spot, as they are in alot of cash.

Does our opponent raise alot, is it position based. Does he cbet alot, likely to fire a 2nd bullet with air.

If you want my default plan i would flat pre most of the time but not for hand value as well as set value. I would check/call the flop and reasses the turn, as if we are ahead oppo is drawing to less than 6 outs.

Reads are not important here, they are irrelevant. We have no information on the player.

Why are you check-calling the flop? Do you plan to lead out on the turn if it comes a blank?

im amazed u ask this snoops.

[snoopy1239]

deffo nowhere near enough info on opponent/situation. HU i wouldnt defend oop w 77 v any decent aggressive reg who opened in mp. Id only flat call pre if opponent was a bad nit (TAGfish), or we were 150bb+ deep. You wont get the implied as boldie correctly states versus any decent aggressive opponents and are just bleeding long term. 

So you would fold preflop for the extra $5 against a good player?

[snoopy1239]

To be pedantic and i know you are giving generic hypothetical situations. Reads are sooooooooo important in this spot, as they are in alot of cash.

Does our opponent raise alot, is it position based. Does he cbet alot, likely to fire a 2nd bullet with air.

If you want my default plan i would flat pre most of the time but not for hand value as well as set value. I would check/call the flop and reasses the turn, as if we are ahead oppo is drawing to less than 6 outs.

Reads are not important here, they are irrelevant. We have no information on the player.

Why are you check-calling the flop? Do you plan to lead out on the turn if it comes a blank?

im amazed u ask this snoops.

Why, some players might check-raise. Others may check the turn and then lead the river if said play checks behind them.

[Longy]

To be pedantic and i know you are giving generic hypothetical situations. Reads are sooooooooo important in this spot, as they are in alot of cash.

Does our opponent raise alot, is it position based. Does he cbet alot, likely to fire a 2nd bullet with air.

If you want my default plan i would flat pre most of the time but not for hand value as well as set value. I would check/call the flop and reasses the turn, as if we are ahead oppo is drawing to less than 6 outs.

Reads are not important here, they are irrelevant. We have no information on the player.

Why are you check-calling the flop? Do you plan to lead out on the turn if it comes a blank?

This happened virtually like never when i last played cash, you really should always have a read of sorts. I play(ed) on a site that allows datamining and would do so extensively.

If you are finding this situation regularly you are not putting in enough effort to a get a read imo.

We are check calling the flop as we are not behind often enough to warrant folding and raising normally will fold out all worse and get called/raised by all better. Classic way ahead/way behind spot.

[snoopy1239]

To be pedantic and i know you are giving generic hypothetical situations. Reads are sooooooooo important in this spot, as they are in alot of cash.

Does our opponent raise alot, is it position based. Does he cbet alot, likely to fire a 2nd bullet with air.

If you want my default plan i would flat pre most of the time but not for hand value as well as set value. I would check/call the flop and reasses the turn, as if we are ahead oppo is drawing to less than 6 outs.

Reads are not important here, they are irrelevant. We have no information on the player.

Why are you check-calling the flop? Do you plan to lead out on the turn if it comes a blank?

This happened virtually like never when i last played cash, you really should always have a read of sorts. I play(ed) on a site that allows datamining and would do so extensively.

If you are finding this situation regularly you are not putting in enough effort to a get a read imo.

We are check calling the flop as we are not behind often enough to warrant folding and raising normally will fold out all worse and get called/raised by all better. Classic way ahead/way behind spot.

Either way, it's a hypothetical question. So, if you have no information on your opponent (new table, first hand, say), and you've called the flop, are you betting a blank on the turn, check-raising or checking intending to bet the river if he checks the turn behind?