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[TheChipPrince]

rather staggeringly I was shown  on the river!

I expected KQ,AK etc

How does he not raise the turn!

Why would he, he's miles ahead. Villain played it fine up untill he stuck the reraise in on the river...that was pretty bad.

Miles ahead knowing Tighty's cards yes, but with the A there, the board opening up to draws, and oppo betting $80 into a $100 pot i'd find a raise more times than a call...

[boldie]

rather staggeringly I was shown  on the river!

I expected KQ,AK etc

How does he not raise the turn!

Why would he, he's miles ahead. Villain played it fine up untill he stuck the reraise in on the river...that was pretty bad.

Miles ahead knowing Tighty's cards yes, but with the A there, the board opening up to draws, and oppo betting $80 into a $100 pot i'd find a raise more times than a call...

The A is there...the guy is more than likely to be miles ahead fo anyone holding the A, no? He's only behind to AA in fact. The only holding you could realistically expect Tighty to have that could cause you trouble if you have QQ here  (if you think he has the A) is the Ace of Spades and another spade to go with that...but I would expect Tighty's range to be wider than that so I'd be more than happy giving Tighty a free card on the river and have him fire on a blank (or even heart) river. I don't mind how Villain played this at all..I just hate the reraise on the river.

[TheChipPrince]

rather staggeringly I was shown  on the river!

I expected KQ,AK etc

How does he not raise the turn!

Why would he, he's miles ahead. Villain played it fine up untill he stuck the reraise in on the river...that was pretty bad.

Miles ahead knowing Tighty's cards yes, but with the A there, the board opening up to draws, and oppo betting $80 into a $100 pot i'd find a raise more times than a call...

The A is there...the guy is more than likely to be miles ahead fo anyone holding the A, no? He's only behind to AA in fact. The only holding you could realistically expect Tighty to have that could cause you trouble if you have QQ here  (if you think he has the A) is the Ace of Spades and another spade to go with that...but I would expect Tighty's range to be wider than that so I'd be more than happy giving Tighty a free card on the river and have him fire on a blank (or even heart) river. I don't mind how Villain played this at all..I just hate the reraise on the river.

I mean with the A there, and Tighty betting $80 into $100, there is a reasonable chance he has a strong A, and at this point I want to get more money into the pot...  I'm not scared of the A, i'm delighted its there, I mean I would raise because I think any strong A calls and bulks up the pot at a point where I am comfortably ahead..

and yes, the re-reaise at the end stinks...

[TheChipPrince]

To add, i dont hate his flat call on the turn, just my preference in this spot is normally, and i say normally assuming its an unknown, to raise...

[TightEnd]

FWIW

Thinking through the hand afterwards

1 I'm surprised not to be re-r pre by QQ on the button

2. On the flop I'm leading into him, so can understand the flat call there with his monster

3. On the turn I was amazed he didn't raise..two flush draws, sizeable pot, plenty of cards can slow him down on the river (you'd think, not that it did)

4. the river raise struck me that he had decided he was going to be miles ahead after the flop and had a plan to string me along and then shove the river regardless

[boldie]

rather staggeringly I was shown  on the river!

I expected KQ,AK etc

How does he not raise the turn!

Why would he, he's miles ahead. Villain played it fine up untill he stuck the reraise in on the river...that was pretty bad.

Miles ahead knowing Tighty's cards yes, but with the A there, the board opening up to draws, and oppo betting $80 into a $100 pot i'd find a raise more times than a call...

The A is there...the guy is more than likely to be miles ahead fo anyone holding the A, no? He's only behind to AA in fact. The only holding you could realistically expect Tighty to have that could cause you trouble if you have QQ here  (if you think he has the A) is the Ace of Spades and another spade to go with that...but I would expect Tighty's range to be wider than that so I'd be more than happy giving Tighty a free card on the river and have him fire on a blank (or even heart) river. I don't mind how Villain played this at all..I just hate the reraise on the river.

I mean with the A there, and Tighty betting $80 into $100, there is a reasonable chance he has a strong A, and at this point I want to get more money into the pot...  I'm not scared of the A, i'm delighted its there, I mean I would raise because I think any strong A calls and bulks up the pot at a point where I am comfortably ahead..

and yes, the re-reaise at the end stinks...

OK....essentially we're both fine getting the money in we just disagree on the point where we would do it.

[Longy]

From villians point of view:

Raising the turn is a must imo, tighty is repping an ace or some kind of combo draw. The best place to get value from all these hands is the turn, due to so many action killers landing on the river. Its not a case of getting outdrawn and protecting our hand but getting value from heros range.

Raising the river is comedy, it makes no sense as tighty only looks him up when he is a beat.

[TheChipPrince]

From villians point of view:

Raising the turn is a must imo, tighty is repping an ace or some kind of combo draw. The best place to get value from all these hands is the turn, due to so many action killers landing on the river. Its not a case of getting outdrawn and protecting our hand but getting value from heros range.

Raising the river is comedy, it makes no sense as tighty only looks him up when he is a beat.

You listening Boldie...   

[boldie]

From villians point of view:

Raising the turn is a must imo, tighty is repping an ace or some kind of combo draw. The best place to get value from all these hands is the turn, due to so many action killers landing on the river. Its not a case of getting outdrawn and protecting our hand but getting value from heros range.

Raising the river is comedy, it makes no sense as tighty only looks him up when he is a beat.

You listening Boldie...   

I always am mate

[UpTheMariners]

[ x ] villian played the hand badly

[AlexMartin]

From villians point of view:

Raising the turn is a must imo, tighty is repping an ace or some kind of combo draw. The best place to get value from all these hands is the turn, due to so many action killers landing on the river. Its not a case of getting outdrawn and protecting our hand but getting value from heros range.

Raising the river is comedy, it makes no sense as tighty only looks him up when he is a beat.

Its not actually terrible to raise the river sometimes with his hand. Just requires a dirt load of history and levelling mind games. Do think its a bit thin v an unknown though.

[GlasgowBandit]

Why is button not RR pre?

Ohh and must raise the turn scary board for draws. 

[snoopy1239]

rather staggeringly I was shown  on the river!

I expected KQ,AK etc

I've seen many a numpty shove with a set when there are four to a straight, which is why the call on the river is a no brainer.

[Sunday8pm]

Your line is pretty gutsy but is fine. I tend to give up on flop, as a big pot isnt going to be won and check folding A high flops after raising pre can work wonders for metagame.

As played i call river 100%, you only really lose to  in theory...

[Royal Flush]

Your line is pretty gutsy but is fine. I tend to give up on flop, as a big pot isnt going to be won and check folding A high flops after raising pre can work wonders for metagame.

As played i call river 100%, you only really lose to  in theory...

  was river