Rookies starting live life at a high level

[DungBeetle]

Personally I think it's rare to see people play tournaments that they can't afford to lose.  It's much more common in cash games as people will reload to chase. 

If people can afford to lose the tournament entry, then I think it's a positive thing to get as many new people into live card rooms, even if they don't yet have the skill sets to win.  It's really the only way to learn - I was diabolical when I first started playing live, but I could afford the buy in, so was happy to treat it as an investment. 

[Rookie (Rodney)]

www.inthebelly.co.uk

£10 rebuy tonight, good crack... Come along!

Ah ! so thats where u'v all been..Mondays bad night for me but we will see...Gluck to u and ur dad with it

No probs, Fridays too. This week is our best game of the month.

[I Am Willis]

let them waste their money imo

[kinboshi]

Personally I think it's rare to see people play tournaments that they can't afford to lose.  It's much more common in cash games as people will reload to chase. 

If people can afford to lose the tournament entry, then I think it's a positive thing to get as many new people into live card rooms, even if they don't yet have the skill sets to win.  It's really the only way to learn - I was diabolical when I first started playing live, but I could afford the buy in, so was happy to treat it as an investment. 

It's not really the only way to learn.  I'd say that a lot of new players would be far better learning a lot of their skills and getting experience on the internet, rather than diving straight into live games with tables full of experienced players.

Of course the only way you'll improve on the elements that are unique to live play is to play live, but surely 80% of the skills you need are the same online and live?

[the mole]

I think this point is worth defending, i live in the wrong place in the world for good live action, so i only play big live tourneys, i certainly dont have as much live experience as most. I play high stakes cash games on line so therefore i am not interested in playing for small stakes tourneys. Yes it takes a bit of getting used to ( live) but dont assume because we can be a bit stuttery in a live game that we are not good players with a lot of poker experience.

[jakally]

I'm not sure some people would have the objective of 'learning' poker.

There are people with a bit of spare money who want a social game of cards.
And those people are generally much nicer table companions than the nit-pickers and know it alls.

[DungBeetle]

I don't think the distinction between live and online really matters.  If a rookie is playing at £100 + buy in level, it will almost certainly be dealer dealt, so a good dealer will keep a novice abreast of his options if he is ever unsure.

I thought the discussion was merely whether rookies should jump in at medium stake buy ins.  My point is if they can afford to write off the expenditure, then of course they should be made welcome.

If the argument was whether an experienced online player should jump straight in at higher buy ins live, the the answer has to be yes.  Would you expect Durrrr ,for example, to play a £10 rebuy, just because he hadn't played live much (until last year)?

[Chompy]

And those people are generally much nicer table companions than the nit-pickers and know it alls.

Not sure I go along with that. Most of the more experienced players I've come across are the best craic at the table and more than happy to help out the newbies.
The rookies are the ones that tend to take it too seriously imo. They've seen it on TV, players sat there stoically, and think they should do the same, as in sit and not say a word, so as 'not to give away any tells'. What a crock.
No word of a lie, I played the Tuesday night rookie tournament in Luton a while back with a mate and, as we pulled into the car park, a guy was getting out of his car wearing iPod, baseball cap, shades and hoody top. Albeit the hoody bit wasn't up at that point. They behave the way they think poker players are supposed to behave and are no value at the table.

[jakally]

I'm not saying all experienced players are like this - but there are those that don't like change, and do everything they can to make new players feel uncomfortable.

[the sicilian]

I must admit I save my true game face for the higher end stuff

[Longy]

In answer to the original question, new players to the game will have no concept of bankroll or anything close. So if they have £100 to give a tourney a shot they will.

Basically the argument is that they reduce your enjoyment of playing live cos they are not sociable and are not up to speed with live etiquette (which no one is really until you have played a few times). I think its far more constructive to try and help/encourage newbies to learn/enjoy the game then criticising them, when they don't know any better. It will help your EV anyway to have a happy ship, a la Daniel Negrenau table presence. It is not like most of the old school regulars are a barell laughs in most cases anyway in my experience.

[boldie]

lol @ people complaining about new players giving waning to give them more money.

[Chompy]

I must admit I save my true game face for the higher end stuff

If only you were around long enough for anyone to witness it...
What's it like leaving Luton in daylight?

[the sicilian]

I must admit I save my true game face for the higher end stuff

If only you were around long enough for anyone to witness it...
What's it like leaving Luton in daylight?

The diminishing sun over Luton Broadway is truly a sight to behold and imo well worth £110 buy in to see it...as you did Wednesday Mr Chompy   

[Snatiramas]

you can't beat having a conversation with someone wearing an ipod.....the best fun ever. Just make sure that during the conversation you don't speak until they put the headphones back on.........just the best entertainment.

You can also ask who they are listening to and give a critique of what you think of that singer or band. Particularly fun if you have never heard of the artist concerned.

Also if they are new new a kind word should always be proferred. Of course once they are like Seb they are fair game, No excuse for playing lots and still colluding through ignorance.

The more new players the better is what I say