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« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2008, 01:57:58 PM »

Yes, there is life out there, but there are infinitely more planets than there are grains of sand in the Sahara desert.

Imagine there was life on two or three of those grains of sand, what would be the chances of them ever finding each other?

Also what are the chances of 2 grains of sand being exactly the same? To support life a planet needs to more or less exactly the same as Earth.

It's not just a case of having 2 planets the same size. The whole solar system has to have the right components to make the correct ecosystem for producing life.

Firstly you need the right type of star in the middle of it, in our case the Sun. You then need a planet to be exactly the right distance from it to maintain the right temperature. You need that planet to just happen to spinning at the right speed to not suck everyone in to the ground or let them float away.

You also need supporting planets. In our case we have Jupiter which has such a massive gravitational pull it sucks away all the nasty space debris that would otherwise smash in to us and turn us all in to kebabs.

There's loads more things that are essential. There's probably plenty of planets that have some of the factors but chances are they all have at least one missing and that means they can't support life.

I know there are a lot of planets out there and statistically there's a good chance that life exists but the chances of us finding it or it finding us are so remote that it's just not going to happen.

If you pick one grain of sand from the Sahara and examine it under a microscope how long do you think it would take to find an exact match? I think you'd be a while.

Sorry I'm just a sceptic  Grin
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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2008, 01:58:30 PM »

[if the government actually gave details of certain things that have happened that they have covered up

just interested to know - have you seen these details first hand?

my office was involved in an investigation several years ago involving the MoD's refusal to release under access to official information certain files relating to UFO sightings to a party that was interested in seeing them.

Such investigations obviously involve us looking at the information that has been denied to decide whether there was a basis for withholding it.  We, like the MoD, are bound by the official secrets act and can't share information about what we see in the course of our work.  

I remember those involved in the investigation were quite excited to receive the files to find out what was in them.  I don't think I'm breaching the act by saying that there was nothing juicy, and the refusal to release the information (because it wasn't of public interest IIRC) just made the conspiracy theorists certain that there was something to hide.
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« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2008, 02:02:32 PM »

proof imo

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« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2008, 02:06:12 PM »

There was an alleged UFO in my village back in 1974, and there was a documentary about it on Channel 5 3 weeks ago...


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« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2008, 02:09:09 PM »

proof imo



Looks like I was wrong.

I'd forgotten about ALF.
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« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2008, 02:57:10 PM »

Yes, there is life out there, but there are infinitely more planets than there are grains of sand in the Sahara desert.

Imagine there was life on two or three of those grains of sand, what would be the chances of them ever finding each other?

Also what are the chances of 2 grains of sand being exactly the same? To support life a planet needs to more or less exactly the same as Earth.

That's such a human-centric way of thinking and is associated with the Abrahamic religion's viewpoint that the world (and everything else) was created for mankind.  This we know is utter nonsense, as the universe is over 12 billion years old and we've (humans) only been here for a fraction of that.

If there's a nuclear war on earth involving every nuclear weapon (or some other catastrophic event for human life on earth such as a pandemic, climate change, asteroid collision, etc.), we'd be able to create a world that wouldn't sustain human life.  Life on earth would continue though.  The most successful life-form, bacteria, would continue to flourish.  Other species would evolve and after many millions of years who's to say that another sentient species won't come about?

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It's not just a case of having 2 planets the same size. The whole solar system has to have the right components to make the correct ecosystem for producing life.

Correct.  But it doesn't have to be the same as earth.

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Firstly you need the right type of star in the middle of it, in our case the Sun. You then need a planet to be exactly the right distance from it to maintain the right temperature. You need that planet to just happen to spinning at the right speed to not suck everyone in to the ground or let them float away.

Correct.  In the case of the earth, the heat produced from the core has also been an essential element in creating conditions for life to exist here.

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You also need supporting planets. In our case we have Jupiter which has such a massive gravitational pull it sucks away all the nasty space debris that would otherwise smash in to us and turn us all in to kebabs.

That's actually nonsense.  We have been struck by 'debris' - and it will happen again.  The probability of a large asteroid hitting the earth is almost 1.

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There's loads more things that are essential. There's probably plenty of planets that have some of the factors but chances are they all have at least one missing and that means they can't support life.

Correct.

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I know there are a lot of planets out there and statistically there's a good chance that life exists but the chances of us finding it or it finding us are so remote that it's just not going to happen.

The chance that you (any of us that is) were born is statistically improbable.  Yet here you are...

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If you pick one grain of sand from the Sahara and examine it under a microscope how long do you think it would take to find an exact match? I think you'd be a while.

If I have 14 billion years (and more), I'm sure I'd manage it.

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Sorry I'm just a sceptic  Grin

I haven't actually gone through from the original link - so I don't know if you're skeptical about that or the fact that there is probably life on other planets somewhere in the universe.

I'll have to find the article, but the existence of life elsewhere in the universe is a statistical probability. 
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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2008, 03:37:34 PM »

[if the government actually gave details of certain things that have happened that they have covered up

just interested to know - have you seen these details first hand?

my office was involved in an investigation several years ago involving the MoD's refusal to release under access to official information certain files relating to UFO sightings to a party that was interested in seeing them.

Such investigations obviously involve us looking at the information that has been denied to decide whether there was a basis for withholding it.  We, like the MoD, are bound by the official secrets act and can't share information about what we see in the course of our work.  

I remember those involved in the investigation were quite excited to receive the files to find out what was in them.  I don't think I'm breaching the act by saying that there was nothing juicy, and the refusal to release the information (because it wasn't of public interest IIRC) just made the conspiracy theorists certain that there was something to hide.

Not first hand.  I grew up in the same village as Chiprince so its the same story as that.  Was on channel 5 a few weeks ago with a documentary...

Details have been kept secret and wont be realeased for 25 years or something.  I agree with the conspiricy theory thing, some (or most) of the stories of sightings can be explained but not all.  I just think that this plannet has taken hundreds of billion of years to get to how it is today.  If there are as many stars in the sky as there are grains of sand on earth, surly there must be life out there....
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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2008, 03:42:51 PM »

Although I've stated that I think there is life on other planets in the universe, I certainly don't think we've been visited by intelligent extra-terrestrial life.

If we had, we'd know about it.  A trip to the nearest star and back would take at least 8 years, and to the centre of the galaxy, about a hundred thousand years. I'm sure if some aliens bothered to travel that distance they'd make their presence known, and they wouldn't have bothered making the journey without planning a longer vacation here.

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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2008, 03:50:13 PM »

What takes us 100 thousand years may take them a day?
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« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2008, 03:57:22 PM »

What takes us 100 thousand years may take them a day?

That's not what it would take us, that's the constraints of the speed of light.  If they could travel quicker than that they'd be able to go back in time, and so they'd be here already.
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« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2008, 04:10:26 PM »

What takes us 100 thousand years may take them a day?

That's not what it would take us, that's the constraints of the speed of light.  If they could travel quicker than that they'd be able to go back in time, and so they'd be here already.


Haven't you been to Blackpool recently?   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2008, 04:15:29 PM »

What takes us 100 thousand years may take them a day?

That's not what it would take us, that's the constraints of the speed of light.  If they could travel quicker than that they'd be able to go back in time, and so they'd be here already.


Haven't you been to Blackpool recently?   Roll Eyes

Valid point.  I did feel as though I'd gone back in time a good decade or so.

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« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2008, 04:41:12 PM »

15 years ago there was no evidence of any other planets outside the solar system. Now over 300 have been discovered.

How many star systems are there in the universe?

Well, estimates at the number of galaxies out there are anything from 80-125 billion.
Each galaxy has between 10 million to a trillion stars in it.
Thats a f*** of a lot of stars.

If I were a gambling man, I'd lump on there being life out there and I'd also have a hefy punt on there being life that is more advanced than us.
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If I were a gambling man, I'd lump on there being life out there and I'd also have a hefy punt on there being life that is more advanced than us.
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« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2008, 04:55:09 PM »

[if the government actually gave details of certain things that have happened that they have covered up

just interested to know - have you seen these details first hand?

my office was involved in an investigation several years ago involving the MoD's refusal to release under access to official information certain files relating to UFO sightings to a party that was interested in seeing them.

Such investigations obviously involve us looking at the information that has been denied to decide whether there was a basis for withholding it.  We, like the MoD, are bound by the official secrets act and can't share information about what we see in the course of our work.  

I remember those involved in the investigation were quite excited to receive the files to find out what was in them.  I don't think I'm breaching the act by saying that there was nothing juicy, and the refusal to release the information (because it wasn't of public interest IIRC) just made the conspiracy theorists certain that there was something to hide.

Not first hand.  I grew up in the same village as Chiprince so its the same story as that.  Was on channel 5 a few weeks ago with a documentary...

Details have been kept secret and wont be realeased for 25 years or something.  I agree with the conspiricy theory thing, some (or most) of the stories of sightings can be explained but not all.  I just think that this plannet has taken hundreds of billion of years to get to how it is today.  If there are as many stars in the sky as there are grains of sand on earth, surly there must be life out there....

I hadn't clicked the link, but, IIRC, it's the same case.....Cheesy  Can't find the report, so might be my memory playing tricks on me.

found it.  My mistake, it was a different case.  http://www.ombudsman.org.uk/improving_services/selected_cases/AOI/aoi0210/aoi2902.html
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