Do you do anthing different?

[GlasgowBandit]

Villain in the hand, was a bit of a mug.  Would often raise any pot with limpers but if there was a raise before its his turn to act he passes.  He played top set and NF draw very cutely a few hands previously against our middle set and doubled up off me. 

I limped with the intention of letting him raise so I can re-pop as I have noticed a pattern that once he puts his pennies in he doesn't like to fold. 

Its a pretty horrible ending, 50p in the tin and all that but do you play any differently?  I can't put him on this hand tbh, I think possible op with f/d.

PokerStars Game #19077285673:  Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/07/24 - 20:48:41 (ET)
Table 'Crux' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: porty32 ($226.40 in chips)
Seat 2: GlenQuagmire ($400 in chips)
Seat 3: HuntingDucks ($283.90 in chips)
Seat 4: actionswift ($53 in chips)
Seat 6: The C.O. ($453.65 in chips)
HuntingDucks: posts small blind $1
actionswift: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to porty32 [ ]
The C.O.: folds
porty32: calls $2
GlenQuagmire: raises $7 to $9
HuntingDucks: folds
actionswift: folds
porty32: raises $21 to $30
GlenQuagmire: calls $21
*** FLOP *** [ ]
porty32: bets $16
GlenQuagmire: calls $16
*** TURN *** [ ] []
porty32: bets $60
GlenQuagmire: calls $60
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
porty32: bets $120.40 and is all-in
GlenQuagmire: calls $120.40
*** SHOW DOWN ***
porty32: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Jacks)
GlenQuagmire: shows [ ] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
GlenQuagmire collected $453.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $455.80 | Rake $2
Board [ ]
Seat 1: porty32 showed [ ] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 2: GlenQuagmire (button) showed [ ] and won ($453.80) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 3: HuntingDucks (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: actionswift (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: The C.O. folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Hairydude]

I am Crap at Omaha but surely your Flop bet is too cheap with the flush draw out there. Obviously your probably gonna get the same action(which is what you want) with maybe a 3/4 pot size bet, then a shove on turn- again probably the same outcome

[GlasgowBandit]

I am Crap at Omaha but surely your Flop bet is too cheap with the flush draw out there. Obviously your probably gonna get the same action(which is what you want) with maybe a 3/4 pot size bet, then a shove on turn- again probably the same outcome

Yeah, I agree mate.  I've been having nightmares about how I played the hand in the end
The flop bet was too cheap, I think i should have made the bet larger this would have allowed me to get more money in on the turn.
And the shove on the ruver was pretty meh!  I never really gave much thought to the straight, but I suppose i invited it on with a cheap flop bet. I think his pre flop cal was a bit loose though.

[DungBeetle]

Just one of those hands I think.  I think he calls your flop bet even if you make it bigger.  He has the flush draw, but more importantly the Jack is such a key card for his hand- once he has that there are a ton of cards he which significantly improve his drawing prospects on the turn even if he misses the flush.

[NoflopsHomer]

Bet $50 or thereabouts on the flop and you can jam any non spade turn thereby removing any difficult river decisions. Betting 1/4 on the flop is just daft here and makes no sense given your preflop line to play a big pot, you flop top set in a re-raised pot and don't want to put any money in? He may still call, but at least you won't have done anything wrong. As played the river is a definite check, and then totally player dependent on whether to call or not.

I must emphasise that pot manipulation (i.e dictating the size of the pot) is SOOOOOOOOO underrated as a skill in PLO

[EvilPie]

I would agree with the need for a much bigger bet on the flop. It was much too cheap and he would've had to miss in a very big way to do anything other than call or raise.

Once he's hit that 10 on the turn he's going nowhere and tbh I'm surprised he didn't repop the turn with the monster draw he had to try to make you drop any big pairs or 2 pairs that you may have been holding.

Unfortunately it was always cheap for him while his hand was mediocre and only expensive when his hand was strong. Like Floppy says it's important to manipulate the pot to suit what you're holding. I'm still very much learning that myself but this is a good example of where it can go wrong despite the best intentions.

Seems to me like you played the flop as though it was NLHE and you were looking to keep him in the pot. Obviously you want to keep him in because you've got the nuts but you can't make it cheap at omaha because giving a cheap card can be so dangerous. The 10 was a bit of a jackpot card for him. It kept you interested because there's no immediate danger and yet gave him so many outs I can't be bothered to count them.

Checking the odds he was 34.5% on the flop so was always calling $16

On the turn he's improved to 42.5% despite still having no made hand!!

I don't think was ever an escape from this hand but a worthwhile lesson learnt anyway.

[AlexMartin]

Just one of those hands I think.  I think he calls your flop bet even if you make it bigger.  He has the flush draw, but more importantly the Jack is such a key card for his hand- once he has that there are a ton of cards he which significantly improve his drawing prospects on the turn even if he misses the flush.

yeah, think this plays itself.

[snoopy1239]

Yes, defo bigger bet on the flop, no need to let him in cheap. Apart from that, didn't see anything else wrong.