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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2008, 07:45:37 PM »

because after the flop you don't!! but it's hard to see how stuff like 2nd best trips on a fairly raggy board after the turn are not ahead as you aren't putting opponent on Aces and how can you read them as on 35.

on an A 2 4 9 board (no flush) with pocket 9's, could you find a fold to a re-raise all-in from a UTG caller to your pre-flop raise to 4BB's?

Therefore I'd rather get hands like 3-5 out of the equation pre-flop.

Sometimes you have to go broke, don't look to avoid the cold decks just look to open your oppo's range.
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2008, 08:46:29 PM »

I'm not adverse to a wee bit of creative play as anyone who has played against me would vouch to.  I like mixing it up with suited connectors in position or not.  But to limp call a raise with UTG is IMO nothing short of stupid!!

Obviously I am pissed because I happened to go broke while building a nice stack and playing almost perfect poker for 2hrs! 

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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2008, 11:20:00 PM »


I'm not adverse to a wee bit of creative play as anyone who has played against me would vouch to.  I like mixing it up with suited connectors in position or not.  But to limp call a raise with UTG is IMO nothing short of stupid!!


Usually yes. Unless the stack sizes relative to the blinds make the implied odds massive and such a move viable.

This is the case here. You got unlucky, your opponent did not play his hand badly though. (He might well be a bad player, but he did not play this hand badly.)

Even if it was a slightly bad play, it certainly was not a stupid play.
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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2008, 12:25:31 AM »

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You got unlucky, your opponent did not play his hand badly though. (He might well be a bad player, but he did not play this hand badly.)

If this hand was highlighted as demonstrating creativity in the midst of many well played hands you would have a strong point tank. As it stands the hand was played out in unison with every other bad hand that had been limp-called by this classic retard. If you play every hand badly it is possible you will stumble across a strat that can be interpreted as enlightened. Context is an important factor and so this weakens your point somewhat. However your point is still true.
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« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2008, 03:12:58 AM »

Cool, I just wanted to be on his side in case he was googling his username one day and thought everyone at the blondeforum was racialist.
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« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2008, 12:47:19 PM »

I have to say this is one of the best PHA threads I've seen.

I'd never think of playing 35 suited UTG and calling a raise with it - I only ever seem to get busted by people with hands like that.

Can I ask a question though, if the raise to 400 isn't enough to get 35 suited to fold, what sort of raise should you make to get him to fold without it being a ridiculous over-bet?? (I know the answer is dependant on stack-size etc. but in general term if the blinds are 100/200 and say both player had about 5k).

I don't think you understand completely here. If he limps at 100/200 playing 5k then I think that is pretty awful.

Spot on. Limping 25 BBs deep is very different to doing it 145 BBs deep which is what the oppo was in this case.

Anybody who has accumulated this many chips by the 4th level has got to be very loose and must've played almost every hand. He's hit lucky a few times but that's what he's banking on.

The difficulty playing against this guy is that you'll never know what he's got. He's rarely going to pay you off nicely but he will occassionally break you. Very tough oppo tbh.

Best strategy against this type of player is to raise or reraise him large. If you've got 99+ or AK you're justified in shoving the lot in because his calling range will include several pairs below you and probably A10 maybe even A9.

It's risky but it can get you paid off. Stand up to him when he's stacked because he'll happily take a race to accumulate which is what you need to do in these tourneys.

Just be carefully shoving if there's loads left to act because they might call you as well  Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2008, 05:27:01 PM »

Hmmm.very interesting points here.passed a few minutes of my tea break.take consolation gary in provoking a good debate.well worth the fiver imo.next time can u post one of ur coolers that u regularly inflict.lol
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« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2008, 06:59:59 PM »

Hmmm.very interesting points here.passed a few minutes of my tea break.take consolation gary in provoking a good debate.well worth the fiver imo.next time can u post one of ur coolers that u regularly inflict.lol

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