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Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:17:13 PM »
I play at
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in the 50p/£1 cash game most weekends. I do OK, but I'd like to improve my play, and in turn my hourly return.
On Saturday night the table I was on was particularly active, with a standard pre-flop raise of 4xBB usually being called in at least 5 or 6 places.
The max buy-in is £100, and around the table there were stacks ranging from £50 in two seats, around the £100 in most of the other seats, and up to £200 in a couple of seats.
I'm sitting there with about £130 in the BB.
Early position raise to £8 from a fairly loose player. This is called by 3 other players, the SB folds, and the decision is on me.
What should I be trying to achieve and therefore what should I do with:
1.
2.
3.
When I raise, how much should I be raising, and should I be trying to keep people in the hand or should I be happy taking the pot down there and then?
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:25:00 PM »
3bet kk everytime make it about £35.
The other 2 are flow and dynamic based, how many calls are you likely to get, who is the initial raisor. The problem you get is you end up with a pot that equals the stack you have behind, if you get flatted and missing the flop is a nightmare.
So with that in mind the tt i flat more than i 3bet and the ak i mix it up about 50/50 between cold calling and 3 betting.
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July 27, 2008, 11:27:48 PM »
Live cash i jam TT and AK if i am that short, with the KK i probs make it about 35
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:28:51 PM »
Im Tez at cash, rly tez. BUT, ill try.....
with £25.50 already in the pot and the
standard of
gamble within most players who play 50p/£1 cash live;
Hand 1: Make it like £45 and call a shove
Hand 2: Make it like £35 and insta call a shove
Hand 3: Make it like £45 and insta call a shove
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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Quote from: Royal Flush on July 27, 2008, 11:27:48 PM
Live cash i jam TT and AK if i am that short, with the KK i probs make it about 35
Hmm didn't consider jamming, given the advantages of it has of being ahead of their ranges and there being quite of dead money in the pot. I quite like shoving now.
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:31:56 PM »
Quote from: Longy on July 27, 2008, 11:30:57 PM
Quote from: Royal Flush on July 27, 2008, 11:27:48 PM
Live cash i jam TT and AK if i am that short, with the KK i probs make it about 35
Hmm didn't consider jamming, given the advantages of it has of being ahead of their ranges and there being quite of dead money in the pot. I quite like shoving now.
Yeah me too!
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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I raised to £50 with both TT and KK in this situation (or very similar). Both times everyone folded. Does the raise to £50 not achieve the same as the shove, but is more likely to get someone to come along - or is the all-in (or even the smaller bet) a better play?
Amusingly, I did the same with 99 (only 3 of us in the hand that time), and a short-stack got it all-in. I hit my set on the turn and then rivered a flush and he mucked his hand and swore at me
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:37:53 PM
I raised to £50 with both TT and KK in this situation (or very similar). Both times everyone folded. Does the raise to £50 not achieve the same as the shove, but is more likely to get someone to come along - or is the all-in (or even the smaller bet) a better play?
Amusingly, I did the same with 99 (only 3 of us in the hand that time), and a short-stack got it all-in. I hit my set on the turn and then rivered a flush and he mucked his hand and
swore at me
.
I would swear too, I bet you spoke to him in that headmaster demeanor of yours.
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:45:01 PM »
Quote from: Newmanseye on July 27, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:37:53 PM
I raised to £50 with both TT and KK in this situation (or very similar). Both times everyone folded. Does the raise to £50 not achieve the same as the shove, but is more likely to get someone to come along - or is the all-in (or even the smaller bet) a better play?
Amusingly, I did the same with 99 (only 3 of us in the hand that time), and a short-stack got it all-in. I hit my set on the turn and then rivered a flush and he mucked his hand and
swore at me
.
I would swear too, I bet you spoke to him in that headmaster demeanor of yours.
You mean I shouldn't have told him to go and stand in the corner?
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:48:50 PM »
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:45:01 PM
Quote from: Newmanseye on July 27, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:37:53 PM
I raised to £50 with both TT and KK in this situation (or very similar). Both times everyone folded. Does the raise to £50 not achieve the same as the shove, but is more likely to get someone to come along - or is the all-in (or even the smaller bet) a better play?
Amusingly, I did the same with 99 (only 3 of us in the hand that time), and a short-stack got it all-in. I hit my set on the turn and then rivered a flush and he mucked his hand and
swore at me
.
I would swear too, I bet you spoke to him in that headmaster demeanor of yours.
You mean I shouldn't have told him to go and stand in the corner?
I was referring to your offer to give him 6 of the belt....PERV!!
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:52:30 PM »
Quote from: Newmanseye on July 27, 2008, 11:48:50 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:45:01 PM
Quote from: Newmanseye on July 27, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:37:53 PM
I raised to £50 with both TT and KK in this situation (or very similar). Both times everyone folded. Does the raise to £50 not achieve the same as the shove, but is more likely to get someone to come along - or is the all-in (or even the smaller bet) a better play?
Amusingly, I did the same with 99 (only 3 of us in the hand that time), and a short-stack got it all-in. I hit my set on the turn and then rivered a flush and he mucked his hand and
swore at me
.
I would swear too, I bet you spoke to him in that headmaster demeanor of yours.
You mean I shouldn't have told him to go and stand in the corner?
I was referring to your offer to give him 6 of the belt....PERV!!
He wasn't my type. However, there were two not-unattractive ladies playing at the table as well as the lovely Liz dealing...
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:53:42 PM »
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:52:30 PM
Quote from: Newmanseye on July 27, 2008, 11:48:50 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:45:01 PM
Quote from: Newmanseye on July 27, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:37:53 PM
I raised to £50 with both TT and KK in this situation (or very similar). Both times everyone folded. Does the raise to £50 not achieve the same as the shove, but is more likely to get someone to come along - or is the all-in (or even the smaller bet) a better play?
Amusingly, I did the same with 99 (only 3 of us in the hand that time), and a short-stack got it all-in. I hit my set on the turn and then rivered a flush and he mucked his hand and
swore at me
.
I would swear too, I bet you spoke to him in that headmaster demeanor of yours.
You mean I shouldn't have told him to go and stand in the corner?
I was referring to your offer to give him 6 of the belt....PERV!!
He wasn't my type. However, there were two not-unattractive ladies playing at the table as well as the lovely Liz dealing...
Liz is the best, i wish i had told her that i love her!
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:54:42 PM »
Back to the hand. I guess TT-AA are all played the same way, it's just a case of the percentage between calling and raising?
AA and KK = always raising?
TT-JJ and AK = mostly calling, sometimes raising?
QQ = ?
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:55:08 PM »
Quote from: Royal Flush on July 27, 2008, 11:53:42 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:52:30 PM
Quote from: Newmanseye on July 27, 2008, 11:48:50 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:45:01 PM
Quote from: Newmanseye on July 27, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:37:53 PM
I raised to £50 with both TT and KK in this situation (or very similar). Both times everyone folded. Does the raise to £50 not achieve the same as the shove, but is more likely to get someone to come along - or is the all-in (or even the smaller bet) a better play?
Amusingly, I did the same with 99 (only 3 of us in the hand that time), and a short-stack got it all-in. I hit my set on the turn and then rivered a flush and he mucked his hand and
swore at me
.
I would swear too, I bet you spoke to him in that headmaster demeanor of yours.
You mean I shouldn't have told him to go and stand in the corner?
I was referring to your offer to give him 6 of the belt....PERV!!
He wasn't my type. However, there were two not-unattractive ladies playing at the table as well as the lovely Liz dealing...
Liz is the best, i wish i had told her that i love her!
The bad news is that she's off to uni soon...
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Re: Cash game, big hands pre-flop on a loose table
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July 27, 2008, 11:55:52 PM »
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:55:08 PM
Quote from: Royal Flush on July 27, 2008, 11:53:42 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:52:30 PM
Quote from: Newmanseye on July 27, 2008, 11:48:50 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:45:01 PM
Quote from: Newmanseye on July 27, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on July 27, 2008, 11:37:53 PM
I raised to £50 with both TT and KK in this situation (or very similar). Both times everyone folded. Does the raise to £50 not achieve the same as the shove, but is more likely to get someone to come along - or is the all-in (or even the smaller bet) a better play?
Amusingly, I did the same with 99 (only 3 of us in the hand that time), and a short-stack got it all-in. I hit my set on the turn and then rivered a flush and he mucked his hand and
swore at me
.
I would swear too, I bet you spoke to him in that headmaster demeanor of yours.
You mean I shouldn't have told him to go and stand in the corner?
I was referring to your offer to give him 6 of the belt....PERV!!
He wasn't my type. However, there were two not-unattractive ladies playing at the table as well as the lovely Liz dealing...
Liz is the best, i wish i had told her that i love her!
The bad news is that she's off to uni soon...
Where?
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