Thoughts on this hand, really not sure how i should play it on all streets.

[AlexMartin]

UTG is a tight passive 16/13/1.6 regular. Also one of the biggest losers in my DB, overvalues hands massively. Button is the table mark, playing 28/1/1.5 over 500 hands. Massively overplays hands and is generally a terrible CS.

 I just couldnt think of a good plan for the hand at all on turn. Looks like we are beaten does it not?


***** Hand History for Game 391669195 *****
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, July 29, 01:25:16 ET 2008
Table Oxygen 35 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: pirolito ( $280.97 USD )
Seat 2: JammyJenny ( $213.80 USD )
Seat 3: nh wp ul ( $209.15 USD )
Seat 4: DarkLynx ( $200.00 USD )
Seat 5: ALLaddINN ( $710.20 USD )
Seat 6: camelopard ( $230.58 USD )
pirolito posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
JammyJenny posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JammyJenny [  ]
nh wp ul raises [$7.00 USD]
ALLaddINN folds
camelopard calls [$7.00 USD]
pirolito folds
JammyJenny calls [$5.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
JammyJenny checks
nh wp ul bets [$16.00 USD]
camelopard raises [$32.00 USD]
JammyJenny calls [$32.00 USD]
nh wp ul calls [$16.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
JammyJenny checks
nh wp ul checks
camelopard bets [$59.00 USD]
JammyJenny calls [$59.00 USD]
nh wp ul raises [$170.15 USD]
camelopard calls [$111.15 USD]
JammyJenny [has no idea what to do]


Results shown after someone kicks me in the right direction.

[maldini32]

Im no cash game expert but im gettin it all in on the flop and therefore no turn decision, u feel me doggggg?

As u said they overvalue hands, so they could easily have an overpair and the other a jack.

[celtic]

Im no cash game expert but im gettin it all in on the flop and therefore no turn decision, u feel me doggggg?

As u said they overvalue hands, so they could easily have an overpair and the other a jack.

[snoopy1239]

My guess:

UTG =
Button =

ps. Agree with previous posts. Push the flop.

[UpTheMariners]

id make it around 110 on the flop and get it in. if they flat shove on blank turn, if  rolls off il prob check fold.

[action man]

i dont wanna go to the turn in this hand.

[boldie]

i dont wanna go to the turn in this hand.

+1

[Rupert]

I think getting it in on the flop seems pretty bad, like I think they're very very rarely calling with worse as its pretty clear you have a big hand so you're essentially turning your hand into a bluff.  I think I like calling, I kinda wanna fold but it feels a bit weak... Once you over call and they fire the turn again I really really wanna fold but think i'm going to have a tough time doing so... Pretty shitty spot all round

edit: Maybe I don't hate a flop raise, there are a ton of combo draws and stuff.... God what a shit situation

[gribbo]

I agree with rupert about not wanting to get it in on the flop as you have a strong hand, i would be inclined to get it in on the turn. I don't know if im way off here with the hands:

UTG / 

Button

Interested to see outcome of hand?

[EvilPie]

This is a clear fold for me. Fair enough they both overplay hands but do they do it to this degree? You've shown your strength by calling the post flop bet.

3 reasons that I am folding here:-

Villain 1 doesn't care that you called the bet and has come straight over the top all in.

Villain 2 doesn't care about the all in and cares less about you.

Nobody posts a hand on here that they actually win 

[AlexMartin]

It was a bit sick as utg opener virtually never opens with a hand like 109 and surely get s a set in on the flop given this action. the 5 on the turn changes nothing at all, unless the button has some random  hand but given the action i just couldnt work it out. I ended up folding after timing out and the other two got it ai with AJ and AA (button) and i was sighing as would have been a 300bb+ pot scoop. Think once i call on turn i have to go with it, multitabling NOT ftw as i didnt have time to go through the ranges properly.

[TightEnd]

why no re-raise on the flop Alex?

a lot of cards on the turn scare you, three way.

you don't want to try and take it down there?

[AlexMartin]

why no re-raise on the flop Alex?

a lot of cards on the turn scare you, three way.

you don't want to try and take it down there?

they shouldnt really. not if im actually using my brain and hand-reading well (lol obv disclaimer). If i get the money in on the turn my equity goes up huge against hands im flipping v  on the flop (combodraws etc) and ropes in the other guy. Just the turn action made me think "actually im losing".

[maldini32]

Im no cash game expert but im gettin it all in on the flop and therefore no turn decision, u feel me doggggg?

As u said they overvalue hands, so they could easily have an overpair and the other a jack.

I iz good

[AlexMartin]

Im no cash game expert but im gettin it all in on the flop and therefore no turn decision, u feel me doggggg?

As u said they overvalue hands, so they could easily have an overpair and the other a jack.

I iz good

[ ] am worthy of discussing hands with maldini, he pwns too hard at handreading.