A-J Squeeze

[snoopy1239]

No stats on villain. He's only been at the table for a round of two and played just a few hands, two of which he took the blinds uncontested. I think the other was in the blinds.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed)

Button ($147)
SB ($67)
BB = Hero ($198)
UTG ($200)
UTG+1 (168)
Cut-off = Villiain ($210)

Preflop: Hero is dealt
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Villian raises to $7, Button folds, SB calls, Hero reraises to $28, Villian calls, SB folds.

Flop: (2 players)
Hero bets $48, Villian calls

Turn:   (2 players)
Hero checks, Villian checks

River: (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain is all-in for $134

(1) What would you have done on the turn?

(2) Would you have value bet the river?

(3) Do we call on the river?

[pokerfan]

he has kj

[Royal Flush]

I shove the river here, as played call

[snoopy1239]

I shove the river here, as played call

Why do you shove the river?

[Royal Flush]

I shove the river here, as played call

Why do you shove the river?

Value shove, he calls any J and probs small PP's

[AlexMartin]

VVWP i think, now snap call this. I assume no history so hes not valueshoving light. His repping range is so narrow, like aces and kings and incredibly rarely JJ, thats it.

Interested on ppls thoughts on turn shove, initially i thought wow hero has psb left and doesnt fire. I think coz ur so w/a w/b c/c is a better line but dunno. Guess only benefit is now QQ folds a fair bit but cant see value from worse.

I shove the river here, as played call

Why do you shove the river?

Value shove, he calls any J and probs small PP's

 not unless he wants to pwn the hero call thread, this is way off imo. check call river is deffo better.

[gribbo]

Hi,
    I like the check on the turn as it gives ur opponent the chance to think his hand is good if he has floated on the flop with a 99-10 10 hand aswell as jq, wondering would u still check the turn if say a 5 or 9 comes and go for check raise or would try and take the guy for three streets of value?

By checking the river u told the guy u don't have AK as u would have squeezed with it bet the flop and either checked the turn hoping to raise or fired another another barrel for value.

I would definetley check the river to see what opponent does, I agree with flushy about calling the pot is too big to fold and a lot of times the guy is gona be shoving jq or 10 10 here, I think the guy would have 4 bet u preflop with queens or got it all in on the flop to protect his hand, a set of jacks or 7's may be a possibility but i think the guy would have bet the turn looking to milk u for value.

I would also bet less on the flop say 30 u find out the same info and give guy a chance to make a play at you with middle pair if he sees it as sign of weakness, aim of the game is to try and keep the guy in the pot.

Interesting to see what the guy had?

[Longy]

I bet less on the flop i think 35-40 is fine here, it achieves the same result as betting 48 imo.

The turn is interesting, it is one of those spots where i used to shove without much thought and i now think that is pretty bad. We fold out most worse hands, 88-1010 etc, which have floated the flop. Get snapped off by most better hands, kj,sets etc. I suppose we might bluff out qq but that is such a small part of his range to be concerned about. This is such a classic WA/WB spot as the flop was so dry. So yeah i like the check.

I check call the river as without any metagame in play, we effectively have a bluffcatcher. Also villian will turn his hand into a bluff here alot as our line looks like we have given up on the pot.

[snoopy1239]

Will the hands the inferior hands that smooth call the flop and check the turn not just check the river down though?

[Ironside]

Will the hands the inferior hands that smooth call the flop and check the turn not just check the river down though?

depends if he thinks he can take you off AJ or not

[UpTheMariners]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

   1,672  games     0.060 secs    27,866  games/sec

Board:
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    55.622%     55.62%    00.00%               930            0.00   { AcJc }
Hand 1:    44.378%     44.38%    00.00%               742            0.00   { AdAs, AhAs, KdKs, KhKs, QQ-99, 8c8s, 8d8s, 8h8s, KQs, KQo }


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i think i would try and get it in on the turn, as played call river bet. its a hard one as usual when you have very little info on the villian. do you have poker tracker open while playing? this gives you the chance to have a quick look at the players stats even if you do only have 2 orbits on him.

by shoving the turn your getting qq to fold. checking is fine too aslong as your calling the river bet. i think alot of his range is made up of hands which are unlikely to improve.

for all we know this guy could be a complete fish calling a raise with all kinds of crap.

[Royal Flush]

Will the hands the inferior hands that smooth call the flop and check the turn not just check the river down though?

Why i shove for value here.

I would also bet less on the flop say 30 u find out the same info and give guy a chance to make a play at you

Eh?

[LOJ]

I shove the river here, as played call

[Rupert]

i just bet all my stack on the turn for value

[AlexMartin]

seriously? how much 200nl do you lot play?

I shove the river here, as played call

i just bet all my stack on the turn for value

you are NOT getting called by worse in a 3bet pot for stacks v an unknown, period.