Tricky MTT Spot

[Sunday8pm]

Very interesting replies. I think the general consensus is to see a flop in a position. Which i think is correct too after thinking about it for ages.

Would like to hear a bit more discussion before i give the reply.

[action man]

im flatting this all day long.

Im never 4-bet folding.

Shove is bad, we either pick up his 29k or race at best for 250k

[cambo]

im flatting this all day long.

Im never 4-bet folding.

Shove is bad, we either pick up his 29k or race at best for 250k

no need for any more sunday this is the perfect reply

[Sunday8pm]

guttedI donk shoved and ran into Kings. I didnbt think it was too bad at the time but i think its worse and worse everytime i think about it. Played so well up til then aswell. gutted

Got 40k back up to 160k then hit FT nearly avg luckboxing with 55 v 88. Then split AQ v A7, ran KQ into QQ and TT into AA. Nice!

[MANTIS01]

lol 4 betting here is soooo bad

Look at the re-raise size, OOP, it's tiny, he is dying for you to go over the top.

Flat and play a flop in position.

I love this because clever players always fold if I keep my bluffs small enough. They know you see.

If you think you are beat how is playing a flop in position going to help? The bb's raise is small. This is a fact. But it doesn't need to be big to be effective at this stage. The problem with the strat "I am beat but will call anyway because I have a pair" is that you are almost always calling to fold.

In this example villain had kings. ok. But if you call pre and the flop comes low what will happen? You will prob lose more than re-raising pre. You are really hoping for lots of overcards so you can fold and that seems quite pointless.

[Royal Flush]

lol 4 betting here is soooo bad

Look at the re-raise size, OOP, it's tiny, he is dying for you to go over the top.

Flat and play a flop in position.

I love this because clever players always fold if I keep my bluffs small enough. They know you see.

If you think you are beat how is playing a flop in position going to help? The bb's raise is small. This is a fact. But it doesn't need to be big to be effective at this stage. The problem with the strat "I am beat but will call anyway because I have a pair" is that you are almost always calling to fold.

In this example villain had kings. ok. But if you call pre and the flop comes low what will happen? You will prob lose more than re-raising pre. You are really hoping for lots of overcards so you can fold and that seems quite pointless.

Not really if the flop comes low i can play at least 1 street and see what develops, if it comes 224 and he firest 3/4 pot i can flat, it gives me a lot better idea what hand he has on the turn, most people are not going to triple barrel into the only player who covers them on the final table bubble of a 1000 runner tournament. Sure occasionally he might bluff me off pots but most of the time i am going to win when i am ahead and lose a bit when i am behind.

If i know he has AA or KK i am deffo calling to fold a lot, but its deffo +EV so its ok.

[MANTIS01]

Fair enough answer to support that strat. I would say that I'm more inclined to employ that against ABC or tight players. Calling a 3/4 pot bet on the flop isn't a million miles away from a tempting re-raise pre though. The same tempting re-raise size that puts the original doubt in your mind. Against a LAG you are going to need good discipline to fold a blank turn.

The fact that the triple barrel doesn't look like a bluff makes it a very good bluff and a worthy LAG could well be capable of this move. More capable than a push bluff pre after small 4-bet I think. Seeing 4 cards for the same price with the value of hitting a set is probably better as you say. Calling to outdraw a big hand makes me more comfortable than calling because you can afford to do so. I think the history of re-raise bet sizing is an important factor in this hand though.