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« on: September 01, 2008, 03:13:52 PM »

Live STT.  Ten runners of differing abilities.

The game for the hand is Pineapple, Jacks wild, aces high worst hand wins.  No-limit of course.  Chip stacks are about level, except for UTG+1 who has recently doubled-up through the BB who has very few chips but actually owns all of them.

You are UTG+3 with    two hearts  three clubs .

UTG is a laggy, unpredictable player who has recently rejoined blonde.
UTG+1 is even more unpredictable, throws in the occasional googly, and is a big fan of Lindisfarne.
UTG+2 has been around for ages.  At least 4 millennia.  He's seen it all, but can't see much any more - especially small text.

UTG folds, UTG+1 shoves all-in for about £200 (real money chips).
UTG+2 looks at UTG+1's cards and then folds.

You?



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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 03:16:52 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2008, 03:22:08 PM »

Live STT.  Ten runners of differing abilities.

The game for the hand is Pineapple, Jacks wild, aces high worst hand wins.  No-limit of course.  Chip stacks are about level, except for UTG+1 who has recently doubled-up through the BB who has very few chips but actually owns all of them.

You are UTG+3 with    two hearts  three clubs .

UTG is a laggy, unpredictable player who has recently rejoined blonde.
UTG+1 is even more unpredictable, throws in the occasional googly, and is a big fan of Lindisfarne.
UTG+2 has been around for ages.  At least 4 millennia.  He's seen it all, but can't see much any more - especially small text.

UTG folds, UTG+1 shoves all-in for about £200 (real money chips).
UTG+2 looks at UTG+1's cards and then folds.

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Impossible to give proper analysis unless we know the current weather conditions and also the levels of alcohol in UTG+1's bloodstream
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 03:57:17 PM »

None of the above matters.  You're behind with the high A, so deffo a shove.
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2008, 04:10:02 PM »

Give utg+2 a pound and ask him what utg+1 had.

Ignore what he tells you and call. If utg+1 is any good he will fold to your call knowing that he must be beat and not wanting to show a bluff.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2008, 04:18:09 PM »

Live STT.  Ten runners of differing abilities.

The game for the hand is Pineapple, Jacks wild, aces high worst hand wins.  No-limit of course.  Chip stacks are about level, except for UTG+1 who has recently doubled-up through the BB who has very few chips but actually owns all of them.

You are UTG+3 with    two hearts  three clubs .

UTG is a laggy, unpredictable player who has recently rejoined blonde.
UTG+1 is even more unpredictable, throws in the occasional googly, and is a big fan of Lindisfarne.
UTG+2 has been around for ages.  At least 4 millennia.  He's seen it all, but can't see much any more - especially small text.

UTG folds, UTG+1 shoves all-in for about £200 (real money chips).
UTG+2 looks at UTG+1's cards and then folds.

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Impossible to give proper analysis unless we know the current weather conditions and also the levels of alcohol in UTG+1's bloodstream

Fair enough, I realise that it is situation dependent.

The weather conditions were warm and humid, although the air-con was doing a grand job in the casino.

I don't believe there was any alcohol in the bloodstream of UTG+1 or UTG+2.  However, they were pretty much the exceptions at the table, and I'd had enough for both of them.

Does that help?

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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2008, 04:18:53 PM »

Give utg+2 a pound and ask him what utg+1 had.

Ignore what he tells you and call. If utg+1 is any good he will fold to your call knowing that he must be beat and not wanting to show a bluff.

UTG+1 was a woman.  Now this obviously makes things a lot different.  I should have included this in my OP?
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2008, 04:22:27 PM »

UTG+2 was an OLD woman


that may also help
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2008, 05:08:35 PM »

The weather conditions were warm and humid


This makes it a pretty standard shove imo
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2008, 05:16:35 PM »

Give utg+2 a pound and ask him what utg+1 had.

Ignore what he tells you and call. If utg+1 is any good he will fold to your call knowing that he must be beat and not wanting to show a bluff.

UTG+1 was a woman.  Now this obviously makes things a lot different.  I should have included this in my OP?

In that case you may need to invest another pound to find out what kind of mood she's in.

If it looks favourable then it's a definite call, otherwise you're probably better off just flatting it.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2008, 07:54:38 PM »

with aces high you basically have a two card hand and with jacks wild he has lots more flexibility to make the nuts if he has one which seems likely.  so yes i'd say pretty straightforward fold
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2008, 08:06:11 PM »

with aces high you basically have a two card hand and with jacks wild he has lots more flexibility to make the nuts if he has one which seems likely.  so yes i'd say pretty straightforward fold

But it's crazy pineapple, so I can discard one.  I was worried that UTG+1 had a jack, and also worried that another player yet to act might also have a jack.

I was also concerned that my glass was almost empty and there weren't any valets in sight...
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2008, 09:26:24 PM »

I think the Super Stud hand is the one you should be asking advice for.
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2008, 10:17:55 PM »

being able to discard one doesn't defer from the fact that you essentially have a 2 card hand, if it was 238 (or worse) i could probably muster a call but I think a bare 32 is a bit weak here
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2008, 10:59:03 PM »

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The game for the hand is Pineapple, Jacks wild, aces high worst hand wins.

2 3 os pretty close to the nuts at this point...no?   
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