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Ironside
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« on: September 02, 2008, 07:08:45 AM » |
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blinds 400/800
utg limps in (16k)
mp limps (25k)
sb completes (2.9k)
you in bb (7.9k)
all chips at start of hand before posting
flop comes 235 rainbow
sb moves in
you have q4o
do you call/push/fold ?
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david3103
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 09:43:14 AM » |
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Assuming this is a sng and we're on the bubble I fold and let one of the two bigger stacks (or both) deal with it.
Calling runs the risk of being asked a further question by the two big stacks and both call and shove have the obvious risk of losing ~66% of the time.
I'm sure someone will calculate the EV and tell me I'm wrong
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bolt pp
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 10:45:19 AM » |
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I'm sure someone will calculate the EV and tell me I'm wrong
fuck the EV, shove it in |
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 11:38:09 AM » |
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Calling runs the risk of being asked a further question by the two big stacks
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david3103
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 11:52:19 AM » |
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Calling runs the risk of being asked a further question by the two big stacks
? I meant - if you flat call what do you do when one of the other two to act shoves? Or just puts you all in. |
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bolt pp
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 12:57:15 PM » |
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Calling runs the risk of being asked a further question by the two big stacks
? I meant - if you flat call what do you do when one of the other two to act shoves? Or just puts you all in. play to win baby though you're never calling in the first place so the question isnt really applicable. |
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« Last Edit: September 02, 2008, 12:59:00 PM by bolt pp »
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 01:11:18 PM » |
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I think shoving kinda advertises your hand.
It's a bit risky cos mid-pairs are a very likely kind of hand. But then again you're like 40% against anything but 66s.
Check calling would be horrible here...check raising probably leaves other person committed. Shove sounds best.
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MANTIS01
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2008, 01:45:40 PM » |
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I don't agree we are likely to see mid-pairs here. There would be no need for either of the bigger stacks to limp into this pot with a pair. If the game has been aggressive UTG could have a big pair, but that's still pretty unlikely. So I think pushing is perfectly fine with over 6k in the pot. You could have a bigger 4 than the sb so you may not even need to hit, and if you are behind your Q almost certainly gives you extra outs.
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AlexMartin
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2008, 04:04:00 PM » |
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pretty clear shove. ur on life support and just flopped 11 outs getting a huge overlay from the limps plus shorties jam. U need like only 30% equity really and ur getting better.
dislike calling cos turn u will be kinda pc and other villains will get a decent price if they call also. Folding would be dire given ur stack size. hence raising is best imo.
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Ironside
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2008, 05:48:35 PM » |
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this is a MTT long way from home
if that changes anything
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EvilPie
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2008, 07:37:30 PM » |
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this is a MTT long way from home
if that changes anything
Are you 4 handed? If you are then shove. If not I think a raise to about 7.1k would be a better move. |
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PocketLady
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2008, 08:07:13 PM » |
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I think maybe it's supposed to be a full table, and Iron has just told us about the people involved in the hand possibly
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EvilPie
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2008, 08:48:11 PM » |
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with a flop like that you should've shoved pre imo
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free0bird
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2008, 12:30:38 AM » |
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simple answer fold.
you have nothing
chances are he has a higher PR your drawing, to an a or a 5
you have 1 overcard.
if you call your dbling him up or risk going out by one of the bigger stacks calling you both.
give him teh 800, tahts not even a 1/4 of your stack.
find a better position and patience.
chances are he gets knocked out giving you better odds of cashing or laddering.
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Ironside
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2008, 12:38:47 AM » |
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simple answer fold.
you have nothing
chances are he has a higher PR your drawing, to an a or a 5
you have 1 overcard.
if you call your dbling him up or risk going out by one of the bigger stacks calling you both.
give him teh 800, tahts not even a 1/4 of your stack.
find a better position and patience.
chances are he gets knocked out giving you better odds of cashing or laddering.
your miles away from cashing or doubling and you will be needing to get your chips it at some stage chances are the SB has no hand and didnt push pre cause he know he would get called |
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