Keegan

[Rooky9]

It shows how bad it has been that I can actually take positives from the second half. A bit more about us than of late but still lacking quality with mass proportions. If u take 4 of the best 5 players out of any team in the PL then u will see a big effect, with our tiny squad it just compounds the problem.

Gutterez
Beye
Viduka
Martins

Plus Barton, Guthrie.

Needed back before anymore damage to confidence is done.

It's not so much losing your better players that's the problem so much.

it's more the fact that those guys ARE your best players tbh. 

 

LOL and its Newcastle fans that are supposed to be deluded?!!! Exactly which players should we have if they aren't up to scratch??!!  Our first 11 is more than capable of getting Newcastle to where we need to be and what we need to be doing. Our problem is needing a bit more in a couple of areas, but most importantly the depth.  We have been left disgracefully short by the recruitment department and it is currently costing us big time at the minute.

[Rooky9]

Being delusional when talking about your team is not a crime, we are all guilty of that ... leave the fans out of it imo.

Being delusional as an owner is a crime, and that is where the problems lay at St James' park.

I wouldn't say Ashley was delusional - I genuinely believe in his long term plan, even if following the 'Arsenal model' is being highly optimistic. The problem was that the short term hasn't been/wasn't given enough thought imo. If he was prepared to 'sponsor' Newcastle to the tune of £20m a year then there was certainly no evidence of it in the summer was there?

He may have been delusional thinking that he would be able to run a football club like he does his 'public company' (lol!). It appears poor corporate governance has even bigger consequences in football than it does in business.

[gambleingaz]

Newcastles fate will be the same as that superb Leeds team we all remember under oleary.........i hope.............why ae they adamant that they are a big club?

[77dave]

whats is Newcastles best XI?

[booder]

whats is Newcastles best XI?

Sunderland

[Rooky9]

Newcastles fate will be the same as that superb Leeds team we all remember under oleary.........i hope.............why ae they adamant that they are a big club?

You very rarely will get a Newcastle fan coming out with that expression. If the rest of like me I don't give a damn what other fans think. I'm only bothered about my club, and I wish everone else would do the same with theirs.  If challanged on being a big club then they will defend pretty agressively. We have had the what is a big club debate on here loads and I don't think there is one right answer. My own opinion for why Newcastle fans may or may not see their club as being big would be:

Historical - We have a great tradition, and the club has always been a huge part of the citty and the culture. Post war 60k would pack into St James', and obviously nearly at that level seated now. I'll wait for some role out of attendances 'when we were sh1t' with 20k - which there are many reason for and any question that it brings of loyalty can be blown away by attendance increasing with a relegation. I was also there today with about 50,000 others and we were sh1t then and still there.

Recent times - How many clubs have been the PL for all but 1 of the sesason? I'd guess 12 ish? So that puts us in the top 12 of all the professional clubs in the country. Not too bad. On the field it makes us more successful than Leeds, Notts Forrest, Leicester, Sheff Wed etc. All with a decent arguement for being a 'big club'.

Fan Base - I love all this number of supporters in the world bs, but, at the end of the day its about bums on seats and we are right up there for that.

Financial - One of the highest turnoveers in club football in the world.

Player stature - Shearer when best striker in Europe,  MO (in name only maybe), Ginola, Keegan, Gascoigne. We have had some top top players play for the club.

The final one is wages, which the more I think about it the more I believe is a big issue is for NUFC fans (maybe all fans). I don't have my football finance report to hand at the moment but we have a massively high wage bill compared to league position - the worst difference in the league. Obviously there are many reasons why we have high wages (geography, being soft etc etc) but I continously here '£50k a week and you can't pass a football'. Don't get me wrong I don't think paying high wages makes you a big club, but it does make a hard working fan believe that doing so should entitle them to watch quality footballers make their club big in the on the field area.

I appreciate that national radio phone ins and people on sky sports news may make people think Newcastle fans are all loons - but people need to be intelligent enough to realise that all clubs with have sections at the more extreme view point, and that its these people's views that are more likely to make it to media coverage.

[Rooky9]

whats is Newcastles best XI?

IMO... 2 options depending on formation but I'd say:

4-4-2

Given
Bassong/Enrique (weak link)
Collocini
Taylor (weak link)
Beye
N'zogbia
Barton
Guthrie (or Butt changed with either of the CM's - Butt is becoming more of a liability each game though - sadly)
Jonas
Viduka (impact of Oba from the bench)
Owen

4-3-3  (will be difficult to play this season with a fit Jonas imo) Scrap that. Lets go for this at home!! Would be v good attacking football!
Given
Bassong/Enrique (weak link)
Collocini
Taylor (weak link)
Beye
Barton
Guthrie
Jonas
Viduka
Martins
Owen

[mondatoo]

cant see wot all the fuss is with the newcastle fans are they that surprised that there beloved keegan keegan keegan has walked out on them yet again when its not going his way keegan record as a manager won nothing everwhere and walked out of every club he managed and then down to the running of the club they wanted the board out and that's wot they are getting just as soon as they can find someone daft who will pump milllions into the club just for the fans to damand a 3rd rate manger be incharge of the team or they will want the new board out 

This is just total rubbish tbh.I ain't going to waste my time repeating what i've already said read my posts if you wish if not fair play but your posts is a loada crap mate.

I really think Newcastle have had this coming for a long time, maybe not the shambolic affairs of the last few months who nobody could have predicted but it wouldnt suprise me if they went down. The board were a joke, the squad are terrible, Keegan is a quitter and the fans (while no doubt the most loyal and dedicated fans in the world) have delusions of grandeur. As someone who also supports a joke team (come on you Owls) I really hope they go down and everyone associated with the club gets a big reality check - they simply are not the big team they all claim they are.

All those people who are singing Keegans praises need to remember that his quitting is what caused this mess in the first place. Obviously all the ingredients were there for some shambles in the pipeline anyway, but they wouldnt be in the bottom three now if he had stuck around.

I heard a bunch of Geordies on the radio today saying 'Shearer is tha man to get us into Europe' - I think that sums up the delusion going on at that club, talking about an unproven, unappointed manager getting them to a position they have no hope of coming close to this season when they have a relegation battle on their hands.

Rant over, Ive been biting my lip on that one for ages.

The problem that you have here is that your thinking that these people actually represent the views of the fans at the club TRUST ME THEY DON'T.Do you seriously think thst any newcastle fan who actually has a clue rings up these ridiculous radio phone ins and sky sports progs it's all idiots ho haven't got  clue and want to be on the tele.I no a lot of the rue die hard fans who do every game and not one has said they'd love shearer as manager.As for these delusions of grandeur although thats a word outside of my vocabulary again your just accepting the copmplete crap that u read in the press.Have a discussion with a proper newcastle fan and you may see that our mindset is actually totally different,we aren't a big club any more we do have the potential to be though and unlike other clubs in the league who are just glad to me there we ask for a little bit more than that;we ask to watch decent football not to win the league to to win a cup just for our team to give 100% and play some decent football.

Pretty sure that whole post was just a waste a time and people will keep posting inaccurate bs but fair enough everyones entitled to there opinion.

PS Oh and cheers for the support kev never thought i'd see that lol Good Man

[Rooky9]

A United front Mond.... We may convince them yet!

[mondatoo]

A United front Mond.... We may convince them yet!

Its just ridiculous though that we're supposedly deluded,People come out with the same old crap for god knows how long but then don't actually have any reason to think that except from the joke articles they read in the daily rags.I don't think i've ever thought we were going to win anything ever since i've been old enough to have any understanding of football except maybe the uefa cup when we got to the qf and ran bad.Everyone of course dreams about it but thats the whole point isn't it ?

[77dave]

How many of your starting XI would get in a top 4 starting XI?

[Rooky9]

How many of your starting XI would get in a top 4 starting XI?

Relevance?! We're not competing with the top 4. One of them might well be before next season.

[booder]

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[Colchester Kev]

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"Its ok, McClaren already has a job"   fkin awesome 

[kinboshi]

On a lighter note, can Danny Guthrie please recieve a 10-match ban for that shocking attempt at a tackle, which it turns out today has broken Craig Fagan's leg...  Fancy clapping the fans on the way off, w*nker...

Won't happen.

It was just an unlucky challenge.

After Taylor got away with breaking Eduardo's leg last season, there's no way Guthrie will be punished.

I agree Taylor didn't intend to do the damage he did.  Neither did Guthrie.  But I still think the severity of the outcome is relevant.   The punishment for abh and manslaughter are different, although the intention to hurt in either case might be the same.

Sorry, only just caught up on this thread.

Comparing the intent behind Taylor's tackle on Eduardo and Guthrie's is utterly ridiculous.  Eduardo's injury was very unfortunate, but Taylor did not intend to hurt Eduardo.  Guthrie tried to hurt Fagan.  If you honestly believe that they are comparable then you're more deluded than some Newcastle fans.