Is it ever right to fold KK pre-flop 3 handed

[bolt pp]

o ffs

[Royal Flush]

Flat pre

[MereNovice]

I just wondered if it is EVER right to fold KK pre-flop in a 3 handed cash game.

I guess if you're playing razz you could find the fold. Otherwise they're going in.

If Dan can get it all in with kings then everybody can.

Btw. With QQ I'm getting it in as well once I've committed this much.

Against a very tight player, do you want to be re-raising that much if you don't want to commit?  The re-raise to £50 is committing you to getting it all in to a further re-raise or on a favourable flop.

Would a re-raise to £30 be a better idea?  Or should you be trying to get it all-in here?

With QQ or KK?

TBH with either hand I don't like the £50 raise. It's too much. With QQ you don't want to be committed, with KK you don't want to scare off the weak aces, jj, qq etc.

£30 would be much better for either hand.

Thinking about it because of the £50 reraise you can quite easily put the OR on AA or KK. He can't be doing that with many other hands.

The problem with the over raise is it invites the all in because who would do that with anything other than KK or AA.

£30 next time please.

description of the player was

SB: £131 - playing reasonably snug

Why is everybody considering folding QQ here? Nowhere does it say the guy is the rock of all ages. You're three handed..if you can't go broke with QQ here you really need to loosen up IMO.

OK. A couple of clarifications.

The guy with AA was definitely tight. Sorry to have misled you with my understatement with "reasonably snug". (It's a bad habit of mine). I based this on his play when the table was full - we'd only played about 20 hands 3 handed. My feeling was that he would be capable of loosening up 3 handed though - otherwise he's a very odd player indeed.

The reason I raised so big was that I wanted to clear the maniac UTG out because he was very capable of calling £30 with a rag ace. If they both called my £30 raise and an ace comes on the flop, I feel that I have to fold to a big bet by either of them. I guess that is probably a risk worth taking. So the play then is to raise to £30, and if no ace on the flop, stick the lot in? (I can't see any point in holding anything back on a favourable flop)

[MC]

You should never fold here...

I can't remember ever folding KK. I'm not saying it's not possible full ring or with lots of info and things...but 3 handed I'm never folding...

[kinboshi]

Flat pre

Can you expand pleeeease?

[MereNovice]

You should never fold here...

I can't remember ever folding KK. I'm not saying it's not possible full ring or with lots of info and things...but 3 handed I'm never folding...

No, I don't think that I could ever fold KK. (I was just wondering if anyone else would have taken a different approach). But what about QQ? This seems a much more interesting question now.  

P.S. I don't want to sound too much of a creep but I appreciate how much effort you're all putting into this

[Royal Flush]

Flat pre

Can you expand pleeeease?

If you re-pop here you telegraph your hand, i don't really see the point.

If you flat you let the lunatic in (hell he might even squeeze) you also increase your own range so post if it comes 622 etc you are stacking the SB if he has TT+

[EvilPie]

Flat pre

Can you expand pleeeease?

If you re-pop here you telegraph your hand, i don't really see the point.

If you flat you let the lunatic in (hell he might even squeeze) you also increase your own range so post if it comes 622 etc you are stacking the SB if he has TT+

I like this.

Trapping with KK is nice. You want the raggy aces in. If you get outdrawn then so be it but you're always favourite.

The big raise leaves you with difficult questions when he repops all in because you quite rightly narrow his range down to 2 or 3 possibilities.

To be fair AA vs KK it's all going in at some point. Chances of an ace hitting the board are very slim so KK is unlikely to escape.

[MereNovice]

Flat pre

Can you expand pleeeease?

If you re-pop here you telegraph your hand, i don't really see the point.

If you flat you let the lunatic in (hell he might even squeeze) you also increase your own range so post if it comes 622 etc you are stacking the SB if he has TT+

I like this.

Trapping with KK is nice. You want the raggy aces in. If you get outdrawn then so be it but you're always favourite.

The big raise leaves you with difficult questions when he repops all in because you quite rightly narrow his range down to 2 or 3 possibilities.

To be fair AA vs KK it's all going in at some point. Chances of an ace hitting the board are very slim so KK is unlikely to escape.

If I had been in a different mood, I might have tried this. I guess my wish was that the maniac UTG would call with something marginal and that the SB would fold. I didn't want to play KK 3 way - is this too tight an approach?

[bolt pp]

Flat pre

Can you expand pleeeease?

If you re-pop here you telegraph your hand, i don't really see the point.

If you flat you let the lunatic in (hell he might even squeeze) you also increase your own range so post if it comes 622 etc you are stacking the SB if he has TT+

I like this.

Trapping with KK is nice. You want the raggy aces in. If you get outdrawn then so be it but you're always favourite.

The big raise leaves you with difficult questions when he repops all in because you quite rightly narrow his range down to 2 or 3 possibilities.

To be fair AA vs KK it's all going in at some point. Chances of an ace hitting the board are very slim so KK is unlikely to escape.

If I had been in a different mood, I might have tried this. I guess my wish was that the maniac UTG would call with something marginal and that the SB would fold. I didn't want to play KK 3 way - is this too tight an approach?

yes


the less confident you are in your ability in playing flops shorthanded the more -EV the play is though

[AlexMartin]

o ffs

[action man]

id fold KK 3 handed if it was a sat with 2 seats to a billion pound fortune and a room in the playboy mansion. But only if i had my oppo's covered by 300bb and needed a piss.

[PocketLady]

I once asked a similar question on here about folding KK pre in 6 max cash and got told it's always a bad fold.  However I still do it in certain circumstances and I find it's saved me a fair few buyins over time.  However, I'm normally only folding when there are at least 3 of us involved in preflop action.  I can't fold when it's one on one, and I don't think you can fold in the three handed game unless your opponent is the biggest rock on the planet.

[action man]

I once asked a similar question on here about folding KK pre in 6 max cash and got told it's always a bad fold.  However I still do it in certain circumstances and I find it's saved me a fair few buyins over time.  However, I'm normally only folding when there are at least 3 of us involved in preflop action.  I can't fold when it's one on one, and I don't think you can fold in the three handed game unless your opponent is the biggest rock on the planet.

even the biggest rock in the worlds range is wider than Just AA 3 handed, in 3 handed sat situations i could find a fold, but never ever in 3handed cash

[KarmaDope]

To quote someone on here "fold if you hate money".

Even I play this hand the way it works out.