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Tuffster
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Re: WTF?..would it have happened to Ferrari?
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September 08, 2008, 02:20:38 PM »
Quote from: ShatnerPants on September 08, 2008, 02:06:24 PM
If that's the case and Lewis's team were told they had acted in an ok manner, then maybe I'm wrong and, the stewards should take that into account.
Basically, F1 as a whole is likely to be the biggest loser here. If races are going to be decided 3 hours after they've finished, with 'He said this' and 'They said that' flying backwards and forwards, after what has been spectacular viewing.
Well, people won't bother watching, will they.
The problem is this is nothing new, it's been going on for so long.
Schumacher kicked out of the Belgium GP ('97??) for having a worn-down plank (used to increase the ride-height and hence reduce aero-grip), Schumi/Hill and Schumi/Jacques collisions. Last year, this list is almost endless for post-race decisions. (Senna/Prost anyone?
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The WDC it appears to be is mainly decided in the FIA courts in modern history.
As much as it pains me, F1 is NOT a sport, it's a business and as such, we shouldn't invest our souls into this "sport" as we do for our local (unless your a Man U fan!) football teams.
There will only ever be one winner in F1 (and no it's not the Driver's Champion), it's Bernie, as the song from Evita goes "And the money kept rolling in from all directions".
Vive la F1.
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Re: WTF?..would it have happened to Ferrari?
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September 08, 2008, 03:38:42 PM »
Justice will prevail when Lewis kick ferrari's arse in their own back yard!!!! total bollox ruling imo if it had effected the race outcome then maybe but the donk couldnt handle it in the wet!!
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Re: WTF?..would it have happened to Ferrari?
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September 08, 2008, 04:20:30 PM »
Quote from: cia260895 on September 08, 2008, 03:38:42 PM
Justice will prevail when Lewis kick ferrari's arse in their own back yard!!!! total bollox ruling imo if it had effected the race outcome then maybe but the donk couldnt handle it in the wet!!
My initial reaction was that Lewis was a fool to himself.
But I am beginning to be swayed by your ( and other's ) subtle, yet eloquent arguments.
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Re: WTF?..would it have happened to Ferrari?
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September 08, 2008, 05:06:17 PM »
It's his own fault for breaking FIA rules,it clearly states in rule 245 appendix J
"no one is allowed to make the Ferrari drivers look like total prats as soon as it rains"
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Re: WTF?..would it have happened to Ferrari?
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Quote from: Dino on September 08, 2008, 05:06:17 PM
It's his own fault for breaking FIA rules,it clearly states in rule 245 appendix J
"no one is allowed to make the Ferrari drivers
look like total prats as soon as it rains
come in 2nd"
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September 08, 2008, 07:40:45 PM »
I think he needed some sort of penalty tbh, and I'm a massive Hamilton fan. He gained an advantage from not fully correcting back onto the track, if he had let Kimi have that corner and nailled him at the end of the long straight I think he'd have been fine (all be it a heel of a move in those conditions!).
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Quote from: Rooky9 on September 08, 2008, 07:40:45 PM
I think he needed some sort of penalty tbh, and I'm a massive Hamilton fan. He gained an advantage from not fully correcting back onto the track, if he had let Kimi have that corner and nailled him at the end of the long straight I think he'd have been fine (all be it a heel of a move in those conditions!).
Lewis in the middle of overtaking him on the corner and Kimi cut the gap off what was he supposed to do ?
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September 08, 2008, 07:53:24 PM »
lolz so hard at this thread, i missed the race so just watched the incident on youtube.
You have to be joking if you think that move should be allowed!!
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Quote from: mondatoo on September 08, 2008, 07:46:15 PM
Quote from: Rooky9 on September 08, 2008, 07:40:45 PM
I think he needed some sort of penalty tbh, and I'm a massive Hamilton fan. He gained an advantage from not fully correcting back onto the track, if he had let Kimi have that corner and nailled him at the end of the long straight I think he'd have been fine (all be it a heel of a move in those conditions!).
Lewis in the middle of overtaking him on the corner and Kimi cut the gap off what was he supposed to do ?
Not make the move in the first place probably.
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Re: WTF?..would it have happened to Ferrari?
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Quote from: Rooky9 on September 08, 2008, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on September 08, 2008, 07:46:15 PM
Quote from: Rooky9 on September 08, 2008, 07:40:45 PM
I think he needed some sort of penalty tbh, and I'm a massive Hamilton fan. He gained an advantage from not fully correcting back onto the track, if he had let Kimi have that corner and nailled him at the end of the long straight I think he'd have been fine (all be it a heel of a move in those conditions!).
Lewis in the middle of overtaking him on the corner and Kimi cut the gap off what was he supposed to do ?
Not make the move in the first place probably.
However making the move in the first place is not an offence! He had nowhere to go, was aware enough then to slow down
the point is he was 6mph slower gonig across the start line than Raikkonen, who was already ahead by then, after cutting the corner. He was allowing Raikkonen back past, which he did
from that point on it should be fair game, but clearly not in the Stewards eyes
of course with hindsight waiting a further corner he'd have got him soon enough
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Quote from: TightEnd on September 08, 2008, 09:24:29 PM
Quote from: Rooky9 on September 08, 2008, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on September 08, 2008, 07:46:15 PM
Quote from: Rooky9 on September 08, 2008, 07:40:45 PM
I think he needed some sort of penalty tbh, and I'm a massive Hamilton fan. He gained an advantage from not fully correcting back onto the track, if he had let Kimi have that corner and nailled him at the end of the long straight I think he'd have been fine (all be it a heel of a move in those conditions!).
Lewis in the middle of overtaking him on the corner and Kimi cut the gap off what was he supposed to do ?
Not make the move in the first place probably.
However making the move in the first place is not an offence! He had nowhere to go, was aware enough then to slow down
the point is he was 6mph slower gonig across the start line than Raikkonen, who was already ahead by then, after cutting the corner. He was allowing Raikkonen back past, which he did
from that point on it should be fair game, but clearly not in the Stewards eyes
of course with hindsight waiting a further corner he'd have got him soon enough
He was still in his slipstream, if he had failed the earlier manoeuvre and stayed on the track he would have been nowhere near close enough, or travelling at a speed anywhere near kimi, therefore he was still benefiting from cutting the corner.
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September 09, 2008, 12:02:28 PM »
I understand this, indeed you are correct. However he was only in the slipstream as Kimi moved across to block him (legally) after the start/finish line. Kimi holds his line, Hamilton never gets past.
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Re: WTF?..would it have happened to Ferrari?
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September 09, 2008, 12:05:32 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on September 09, 2008, 12:02:28 PM
I understand this, indeed you are correct. However he was only in the slipstream as Kimi moved across to block him (legally) after the start/finish line. Kimi holds his line, Hamilton wipes them both out trying too hard to overtake with a daft manouvere...
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September 09, 2008, 12:08:16 PM »
Quote from: TheChipPrince on September 09, 2008, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: TightEnd on September 09, 2008, 12:02:28 PM
I understand this, indeed you are correct. However he was only in the slipstream as Kimi moved across to block him (legally) after the start/finish line. Kimi holds his line, Hamilton wipes them both out trying too hard to overtake with a daft manouvere...
well, we'll never know that. We do know that Lewis got past twice in the remaining 5 laps
what we know for sure is that Kimi looked like a muppet in the wet.
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September 09, 2008, 01:24:49 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on September 09, 2008, 12:02:28 PM
I understand this, indeed you are correct. However he was only in the slipstream as Kimi moved across to block him (legally) after the start/finish line. Kimi holds his line, Hamilton never gets past.
Yes but he did get past a direct result of cutting the corner, therefore he needs a penalty.
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