Croatia Vs England

[turny]

imo Lampard & Gerrard for Eng, both are the best players out there.. I dont think they can play together, and that for me does not mean 1 of them should play and 1 not, because I think Eng are a better team with either 1 of them in, rather than both of them..

just my pennies worth.. fwiw I would prefer Gerrard never played for Eng again, but thats from a club point of view..

yeah but your a welsh sheepshagger lol

agree though jizz, that was my point the england team s not weakened with gerrard missing, nor if the other way round.

but a good manager would have found a way and imo mourinho would been that man, i think he had a vision and a plan hense he tried so hard to sign gerrard.

englands loss imo

[turny]

Just pointing out they're not facts mate is all.  I think Joe Cole is the most effective player England have.  Seems to be able to motivate himself for England and Chelsea. 

and im pointing out lampard has been voted by the official england fans who follow them everywhere see every game the england player of the year more times in last 4 years than any other player.
but looks like in your opinion that fact aint worth a wank.

cole is a very gifted player but in lampards class as a complete footballer dont make me laugh lol

[WarBwastard]

It's a fact they voted that way.  But how they compare is subjective isn't it as any comparison between players is.  The actual statistics though - games played - goals scored etc show there's very little between them.

As for Joe Cole, again just my opinion - wasn't trying to make you laugh or make you have a wank - I think he's been the player more likely to turn a game around and win games. I didn't say anything about him being a complete footballer or in Lampards class or noffin. Relax.

[mondatoo]

It's a fact they voted that way.  But how they compare is subjective isn't it as any comparison between players is.  The actual statistics though - games played - goals scored etc show there's very little between them.

As for Joe Cole, again just my opinion - wasn't trying to make you laugh or make you have a wank - I think he's been the player more likely to turn a game around and win games. I didn't say anything about him being a complete footballer or in Lampards class or noffin. Relax.

PMSL

Also i never ment that hargreaves was better than lampard just that he had played well when he has played recently (18months is recent for internationals imo) whereas Lampard hasn't in my opinion.Also you keep mentioning this voting thing i go to most newcastle games (all home and as many away as pos) and i ain't ever voted for a played of the year award and neither has any of the people who i know that regularly go to both home and away games.These poll's are normally not voted for by the true fans who go to the games, imo of course so i wouldn't choose to pay to much attention to those personally.I also don't have any problem with Lampard or Chelsea personally i couldn't care how they do or how he does.

[turny]

It's a fact they voted that way.  But how they compare is subjective isn't it as any comparison between players is.  The actual statistics though - games played - goals scored etc show there's very little between them.

As for Joe Cole, again just my opinion - wasn't trying to make you laugh or make you have a wank - I think he's been the player more likely to turn a game around and win games. I didn't say anything about him being a complete footballer or in Lampards class or noffin. Relax.

im relaxed lol i agree cole can turn games but cant give over 90 what a lampard or gerrrard can

[turny]

It's a fact they voted that way.  But how they compare is subjective isn't it as any comparison between players is.  The actual statistics though - games played - goals scored etc show there's very little between them.

As for Joe Cole, again just my opinion - wasn't trying to make you laugh or make you have a wank - I think he's been the player more likely to turn a game around and win games. I didn't say anything about him being a complete footballer or in Lampards class or noffin. Relax.

PMSL

Also i never ment that hargreaves was better than lampard just that he had played well when he has played recently (18months is recent for internationals imo) whereas Lampard hasn't in my opinion.Also you keep mentioning this voting thing i go to most newcastle games (all home and as many away as pos) and i ain't ever voted for a played of the year award and neither has any of the people who i know that regularly go to both home and away games.These poll's are normally not voted for by the true fans who go to the games, imo of course so i wouldn't choose to pay to much attention to those personally.I also don't have any problem with Lampard or Chelsea personally i couldn't care how they do or how he does.

yeah but its a known fact that newcastle fans cant read or write so how the fuck they meant to fill in a voting form???

[mondatoo]

It's a fact they voted that way.  But how they compare is subjective isn't it as any comparison between players is.  The actual statistics though - games played - goals scored etc show there's very little between them.

As for Joe Cole, again just my opinion - wasn't trying to make you laugh or make you have a wank - I think he's been the player more likely to turn a game around and win games. I didn't say anything about him being a complete footballer or in Lampards class or noffin. Relax.

PMSL

Also i never ment that hargreaves was better than lampard just that he had played well when he has played recently (18months is recent for internationals imo) whereas Lampard hasn't in my opinion.Also you keep mentioning this voting thing i go to most newcastle games (all home and as many away as pos) and i ain't ever voted for a played of the year award and neither has any of the people who i know that regularly go to both home and away games.These poll's are normally not voted for by the true fans who go to the games, imo of course so i wouldn't choose to pay to much attention to those personally.I also don't have any problem with Lampard or Chelsea personally i couldn't care how they do or how he does.

yeah but its a known fact that newcastle fans cant read or write so how the fuck they meant to fill in a voting form???

Fair point 

[Josedinho]

[ ] Most Englandfans bother voting for the player of the year
[ ] Winning the award in 2005 helps us in 2008
[ ] Gerrard plays well for England
[ ] Lampard plays well for England
[ ] Hargreaves can tackle

Bullard for England

[DaveShoelace]

England will probably turn over Croatia tonight for no good reason, we always raise our game against the good teams and struggle against the weak ones.

imo we should send the under 21s or a team made up of championship players for games like andorra and macedonia, and maybe let Joe Cole in the squad as he is the only one who has the right attitude in these matches, ie. lets take the piss against this shower of shite. Christ let Titus Bramble in those squads.

Id be happy with the draw, if we win the media will make out england dont have serious issues any more.

[Matt50]

Lampard won the award in 2004 because of a couple of decent games at the Euro's.
These fans that voted for him are the same ones who booed him last season when he played for England.

There are only 4 players who seem to really care about playing for England at the moment, David James, Joe Cole, Emile Heskey and Michael Owen (and only 1 of them started on Saturday).

Although we have a different manager i dont see how things are any different from 2 years ago when we went to Zagreb and were comprehensivly beaten, and if anything Croatia are a better side now than they were then.  I would be very very surprised and very happy if we come away with a point tonight.

ps - it is a fu**ing disgrace that you cannot watch your national team play live, or watch highlights of the match unless you are willing to pay for it - yet another thing that the English FA need to sort out.

[kinboshi]

ps - it is a fu**ing disgrace that you cannot watch your national team play live, or watch highlights of the match unless you are willing to pay for it - yet another thing that the English FA need to sort out.

Eurovox FTW

[AndrewT]

ps - it is a fu**ing disgrace that you cannot watch your national team play live, or watch highlights of the match unless you are willing to pay for it - yet another thing that the English FA need to sort out.

It's amazing isn't it? At exactly the point where many people have totally lost interest in the preening prima donnas that make up most of the England team, the FA have a deal which bundles the games off to a minority satellite channel (one which is mostly subscribed to by Irish people or golf fans) for whom it is in their own interest that there are no terrestrial highlights.

This 'grab the money - fuck everything else' attitude from the FA helps show exactly what is wrong with the game.

[ShatnerPants]

There are only 4 players who seem to really care about playing for England at the moment, David James, Joe Cole, Emile Heskey and Michael Owen (and only 1 of them started on Saturday).

Beckham cares, even if he is nearly as old and past it as tikay.

Saturdays team with Joe Cole and Beckham in for Downing and Walcott.

Play 4411 with 8 or 9 men behind the ball, hoofing it long into the channels for Defoe to aimlessly chase.  Then stick Heskey on with 20 minutes to go when Defoe is knackered.  Cue 70 yard punts straight up the middle, with noone supporting him.  Then take Beckham off, stick Walcott on for the last 3 minutes plus time added on.  Watch Walcott dazzle his way past a tiring defense, before falling over the ball.

Sorry I forgot Lampard blazing one over the bar from 30 yards in the 16th minute.

Have I missed any exciting moments ?

[Matt50]

There are only 4 players who seem to really care about playing for England at the moment, David James, Joe Cole, Emile Heskey and Michael Owen (and only 1 of them started on Saturday).

Beckham cares, even if he is nearly as old and past it as tikay.

Have I missed any exciting moments ?

Yeah Beckham cares more than most, but i'm not sure he cares as much as he used to when he was captain.

You missed John Terry being branded a 'lionheart' when he chucks himself in front of a shot to block it - even though he was caught out of position in the first place which caused the opportunity.

[sledge13]

Well enough proof that its the slack attitude of the moneybags players and not succesive managers, its the same old shit on the pitch and what on earth is happening when Heskey is up front??? we were all moaning about him in 2004! meant to be building for 2010.

Tonight for once the players should break a sweat and fight for a win, they owe it to the fans who live on buttons and pile loads of money into their pockets.