Croatia Vs England

[turny]

[ ] Most Englandfans bother voting for the player of the year
[ ] Winning the award in 2005 helps us in 2008
[ ] Gerrard plays well for England
[ ] Lampard plays well for England
[ ] Hargreaves can tackle

Bullard for England

your first 5 points were credible then you spoilt it by putting bullard for england! another solid prem player who has not got enough class to play international footie imo

[turny]

There are only 4 players who seem to really care about playing for England at the moment, David James, Joe Cole, Emile Heskey and Michael Owen (and only 1 of them started on Saturday).

Beckham cares, even if he is nearly as old and past it as tikay.

Have I missed any exciting moments ?

Yeah Beckham cares more than most, but i'm not sure he cares as much as he used to when he was captain.

You missed John Terry being branded a 'lionheart' when he chucks himself in front of a shot to block it - even though he was caught out of position in the first place which caused the opportunity.

ive never seen many defenders caught out of position before in a football match

[Josedinho]

[ ] Most Englandfans bother voting for the player of the year
[ ] Winning the award in 2005 helps us in 2008
[ ] Gerrard plays well for England
[ ] Lampard plays well for England
[ ] Hargreaves can tackle

Bullard for England

your first 5 points were credible then you spoilt it by putting bullard for england! another solid prem player who has not got enough class to play international footie imo

The players with enough class to play international football don't perform when playing for England.
I'd rather have 11 men with the heart of Jimmy Bullard.

[ShatnerPants]

[ ] Most Englandfans bother voting for the player of the year
[ ] Winning the award in 2005 helps us in 2008
[ ] Gerrard plays well for England
[ ] Lampard plays well for England
[ ] Hargreaves can tackle

Bullard for England

your first 5 points were credible then you spoilt it by putting bullard for england! another solid prem player who has not got enough class to play international footie imo

The players with enough class to play international football don't perform when playing for England.
I'd rather have 11 men with the heart of Jimmy Bullard.

Beasant
Le Saux
Hunter
Adams
Pearce
Wise
Jones
Batty
Bowyer
Withe
Fashanu


They'll put up a fight for .......well anything, really.

[mondatoo]

There are only 4 players who seem to really care about playing for England at the moment, David James, Joe Cole, Emile Heskey and Michael Owen (and only 1 of them started on Saturday).

Beckham cares, even if he is nearly as old and past it as tikay.

Have I missed any exciting moments ?

Yeah Beckham cares more than most, but i'm not sure he cares as much as he used to when he was captain.

You missed John Terry being branded a 'lionheart' when he chucks himself in front of a shot to block it - even though he was caught out of position in the first place which caused the opportunity.

This will probably sound daft (but hey i'm good at it) but imo John Terry still hasn't proved he's good enough to play at international level.I've watched him in a few games where i've thought his defending has been really poor.This isn't another dig at a chelsea player and he is immense at club level but i don't think he should be captain as i don't think he should even be guarenteed his game he still needs to prove his quality for England as i say imo.

[turny]

[ ] Most Englandfans bother voting for the player of the year
[ ] Winning the award in 2005 helps us in 2008
[ ] Gerrard plays well for England
[ ] Lampard plays well for England
[ ] Hargreaves can tackle

Bullard for England

your first 5 points were credible then you spoilt it by putting bullard for england! another solid prem player who has not got enough class to play international footie imo

The players with enough class to play international football don't perform when playing for England.
I'd rather have 11 men with the heart of Jimmy Bullard.

Beasant
Le Saux
Hunter
Adams
Pearce
Wise
Jones
Batty
Bowyer
Withe
Fashanu


They'll put up a fight for .......well anything, really.

but would they win fuck all?  if thats your sole criteria for the team  then you might as well play 11 travelling fans

[turny]

There are only 4 players who seem to really care about playing for England at the moment, David James, Joe Cole, Emile Heskey and Michael Owen (and only 1 of them started on Saturday).

Beckham cares, even if he is nearly as old and past it as tikay.

Have I missed any exciting moments ?

Yeah Beckham cares more than most, but i'm not sure he cares as much as he used to when he was captain.

You missed John Terry being branded a 'lionheart' when he chucks himself in front of a shot to block it - even though he was caught out of position in the first place which caused the opportunity.

This will probably sound daft (but hey i'm good at it) but imo John Terry still hasn't proved he's good enough to play at international level.I've watched him in a few games where i've thought his defending has been really poor.This isn't another dig at a chelsea player and he is immense at club level but i don't think he should be captain as i don't think he should even be guarenteed his game he still needs to prove his quality for England as i say imo.

yawn!!! imo

[turny]

ok my england team for tonight if i was manager would be

442 english teams have always played better when they play 442, even now the premiership teams are playing all sorts of systems i still feel our players play 442 best.

ok

gk david james (but surely we have a better younger goalkeeper out there)
lb ashley cole
rb glen johnston (though i feel this is a very weak position for england now days)
cb rio fedinand
cb john terry (CAPTAIN)

mid joe cole
mid frank lampard
mid gareth barry
mid theo walcott

f wayne rooney
f emile heskey ( we are so lacking quality forwards imo)

[jizzemm]

This will probably sound daft (but hey i'm good at it) but imo John Terry still hasn't proved he's good enough to play at international level.I've watched him in a few games where i've thought his defending has been really poor.This isn't another dig at a chelsea player and he is immense at club level but i don't think he should be captain as i don't think he should even be guarenteed his game he still needs to prove his quality for England as i say imo.

PML

yawn!!! imo

+1  I know we have had chelsea v Liv debates, but Terry needs to prove his quality.. turn it in mondatoo hes a world quality defender, and does not need to prove anything.. We could do with a few more English players who are as good, and have as much heart for an Eng game.. Ok they dont sulk and cry liek Gazza did, its just another game for these players now, but there are some who DO put their soul into a game, and I would not question terry on being good enough or having the heart for it..

Nice to see you back btw Paul.. Football debates not been very good for a while..

[ShatnerPants]

[ ] Most Englandfans bother voting for the player of the year
[ ] Winning the award in 2005 helps us in 2008
[ ] Gerrard plays well for England
[ ] Lampard plays well for England
[ ] Hargreaves can tackle

Bullard for England

your first 5 points were credible then you spoilt it by putting bullard for england! another solid prem player who has not got enough class to play international footie imo

The players with enough class to play international football don't perform when playing for England.
I'd rather have 11 men with the heart of Jimmy Bullard.

Beasant
Le Saux
Hunter
Adams
Pearce
Wise
Jones
Batty
Bowyer
Withe
Fashanu


They'll put up a fight for .......well anything, really.

but would they win fuck all?  if thats your sole criteria for the team  then you might as well play 11 travelling fans

You wouldn't put them out there to win.  If that's your sole criteria support Germany 

I reckon finishing a match with 9 or more players on the park would go down as a bonus.

[Matt50]

There are only 4 players who seem to really care about playing for England at the moment, David James, Joe Cole, Emile Heskey and Michael Owen (and only 1 of them started on Saturday).

Beckham cares, even if he is nearly as old and past it as tikay.

Have I missed any exciting moments ?

Yeah Beckham cares more than most, but i'm not sure he cares as much as he used to when he was captain.

You missed John Terry being branded a 'lionheart' when he chucks himself in front of a shot to block it - even though he was caught out of position in the first place which caused the opportunity.

This will probably sound daft (but hey i'm good at it) but imo John Terry still hasn't proved he's good enough to play at international level.I've watched him in a few games where i've thought his defending has been really poor.This isn't another dig at a chelsea player and he is immense at club level but i don't think he should be captain as i don't think he should even be guarenteed his game he still needs to prove his quality for England as i say imo.

yawn!!! imo

If he was saying the same about Rio Ferdinand your response wouldnt be yawn.

People need to take off their club blinkers when talking about the players playing for England - it is not only Chelsea fans, it is Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal fans.

IMO fwiw, Ashley Cole and Frank Lampard should not be in the England team - they are over-rated and would not make any of the top clubs national sides.
John Terry and Rio Ferdinand are also over-rated. Ferdinand is made to look very good by playing alongside Vidic, likewise Terry alongside Carvalho.  Given the choice of defensive partnerships over Terry and Ferdinand and Vidic and Carvalho, to me it is a no brainer and would never be Terry and Rio.  

As i support Palace (no chance of anyone playing for England), i can be honest in how i believe that players have performed, without bigging up my own clubs players, and i'm not the only one who can see that our players are not as good as we like to think.

[Horneris]

I've decided this would be the best bet for England atm:                                                   


                                                  Robert Green

Micah Richards      Jonothan Woodgate            Rio Ferdinand        Ashley Cole

         
                   
                   Stephen Gerrard       Frank Lampard       Gareth Barry
                                                               

 
               Theo Walcott                                                   Joe Cole


                                                 Dean Ashton

[Colchester Kev]

Dean Ashton lone striker ... I LOL'd

[turny]

This will probably sound daft (but hey i'm good at it) but imo John Terry still hasn't proved he's good enough to play at international level.I've watched him in a few games where i've thought his defending has been really poor.This isn't another dig at a chelsea player and he is immense at club level but i don't think he should be captain as i don't think he should even be guarenteed his game he still needs to prove his quality for England as i say imo.

PML

yawn!!! imo

+1  I know we have had chelsea v Liv debates, but Terry needs to prove his quality.. turn it in mondatoo hes a world quality defender, and does not need to prove anything.. We could do with a few more English players who are as good, and have as much heart for an Eng game.. Ok they dont sulk and cry liek Gazza did, its just another game for these players now, but there are some who DO put their soul into a game, and I would not question terry on being good enough or having the heart for it..

Nice to see you back btw Paul.. Football debates not been very good for a while..

thanks mate, a compliment...........i think!  

[ShatnerPants]

ok my england team for tonight if i was manager would be

442 english teams have always played better when they play 442, even now the premiership teams are playing all sorts of systems i still feel our players play 442 best.

ok

gk david james (but surely we have a better younger goalkeeper out there)
lb ashley cole
rb glen johnston (though i feel this is a very weak position for england now days)
cb rio fedinand
cb john terry (CAPTAIN)

mid joe cole
mid frank lampard
mid gareth barry
mid theo walcott

f wayne rooney
f emile heskey ( we are so lacking quality forwards imo)

I reckon we'll do something like a 4321

Defense as above

Midfield : Barry Lampard Beckham

Forward midfield / whatever :  J Cole, Rooney

On his own : Heskey

This means we'll be able to swamp the midfield when we're defending ( which'll be most of the evening ) then it'll give our fullbacks a chance to get forward and put in quality crosses on the rare occaisions we attack.

Yeah, and  .

Cue a game where we get stuffed playing up the middle, can't work a way round their defense, so end up eventually, when all else has failed, ( after about 20 minutes ) punting long balls up to a stranded Heskey to nod on to their keeper.