Unlucky or victim of a donkey call?

[suzanne]

If i knew he was going to turn top pair then i would have checked the flop as well.

However when i have a loose passive player i am just firing 3 streets here, you win a shit load more in the long term.

Its taken me a long time to understand "poker talk"...what does firing 3 streets mean?

[MereNovice]

If i knew he was going to turn top pair then i would have checked the flop as well.

However when i have a loose passive player i am just firing 3 streets here, you win a shit load more in the long term.

Its taken me a long time to understand "poker talk"...what does firing 3 streets mean?

Betting out on the flop, the turn and the river.
Some Americans (and perhaps others) refer to the flop, turn and river as 3rd, 4th and 5th street, I believe. Hence, betting out (or firing) on all 3 streets.

I believe that the term streets is more often used in stud poker but it seems fairly common parlance in HE nowadays.

[ShatnerPants]

If i knew he was going to turn top pair then i would have checked the flop as well.

However when i have a loose passive player i am just firing 3 streets here, you win a shit load more in the long term.

I think that's the advice the OP was looking for. 

If I can pinch his hand for a minute, the problem that us weaker players have is getting value out of a great flop.  Coz we're scared of making a weaker hand fold, then checking the flop OOP is the easy option, and it works as long as the villain bets out.  But he's only going to bet out if he's either a perenial bluffer, or he's got a half decent hand himself.

In which case he'll call or raise any bet anyway.

My problem wouldn't have been betting out, but more HOW MUCH to bet.

After the flop he's got 3900 behind.  I always try to get the money in before the river, so if he's chasing a draw, he'll be happy getting it in while he still has a chance.  If he waits for the river and misses, I don't get all his $$.

With a pot of 1200, I'd want to bet out pot sized after the flop, so I could get it all in on the turn.  But that sized bet would scare me.  So I'd probably bet out with 900.

Assuming he calls, I'd then bet out 2400 on the turn, commiting him, and hoping he pushes over the top.

But like I say, I'm not a good player, and bet sizing is a huge problem to me.

Ignoring the result, and assuming everyone is happy to get it all in on this flop, what's the best way to go about it ?

[Royal Flush]

Wow didn't realise he was so shallow as well, i just bet a really lame 500, you know he won't pass for that especially as he is a bad player.

[MC]

Sounds like you played the hand well. River is so ugly but can't see that calling the bet is wrong.

[FuglyBaz]

I'd just like to add that i dont like the 'tone' of some of the posters in this thread, however I understand the point they're trying to make. I remember on another forum someone got it all in with AA pre flop and lost the hand, then posted to ask if he could do anything differently. In that sense it is pointless.

Looking between the lines there was demand for advice that has now been given constructively. I agree with Flushy that you should bet the flop. In fact I often bet on the flop if I hold a huge hand, partly because they wont expect you to bet a monster and because you want to build the pot.

Not sure the villain in the hand did too much wrong himself though? Hmmmm. He sensed weakness on the flop so I think a bet here is fine. But as soon as he is called he should be checking behind hero. Thats just my opinion.

And Im rambling.....

[s.tahcker]

Why do so many people post such unfriendly replies to others when they start threads like these?


I will tell u why these people are not as good as they think they are.They were bullied at school or don't get out much.When i first started playing i lost a monster pot in a cash game.It was 1-2 nl holdem i flopped kings full of fives.I checked and an ace came i bet and he called.Another ace came.I know now i was unlucky but at the time did i make a mistake slow playing?

New players have to ignore negative rubbish even if it comes form somebody with many posts.Just treat it for what it is.A rely from an idiot.

[EvilPie]

Do what Flushy says. Bet out on the flop, turn and river.

The board doesn't look particularly scary as he's unlikely to put you on the 2 given your pre flop raise.

With 2 overs he is highly likely to call your c bet here then when he hits the turn you've got the jackpot.

Your next bet on the turn should get a reraise out of him at which stage all the chips end up in the middle and you can give yourself a pat on the back.

Then you get unlucky on the river but that's life.

Overall you got the right result as you wanted all the chips in the middle. Unfortunately because of how you played it you didn't get them in until you were losing which is what makes it a bad play rather than a bad beat.

[Royal Flush]

Why do so many people post such unfriendly replies to others when they start threads like these?


I will tell u why these people are not as good as they think they are.They were bullied at school or don't get out much.When i first started playing i lost a monster pot in a cash game.It was 1-2 nl holdem i flopped kings full of fives.I checked and an ace came i bet and he called.Another ace came.I know now i was unlucky but at the time did i make a mistake slow playing?

New players have to ignore negative rubbish even if it comes form somebody with many posts.Just treat it for what it is.A rely from an idiot.

i lol'd

[FuglyBaz]

Why do so many people post such unfriendly replies to others when they start threads like these?


I will tell u why these people are not as good as they think they are.They were bullied at school or don't get out much.When i first started playing i lost a monster pot in a cash game.It was 1-2 nl holdem i flopped kings full of fives.I checked and an ace came i bet and he called.Another ace came.I know now i was unlucky but at the time did i make a mistake slow playing?

New players have to ignore negative rubbish even if it comes form somebody with many posts.Just treat it for what it is.A rely from an idiot.

[ ] Flushy is an idiot

i lol'd

[LuckyLloyd]

The other player is a very loose passive player, not much raising but lots of calling.
I check to him,

Turn is    putting 3 diamonds on the board. I'm hoping that he has either hit his flush here, or at least has something like the  .
The pot is now 2400. I decide to check again.

I check again.

WOW

[LuckyLloyd]

New posters should beware that they have access to some of the greatest poker minds on the web at Blonde, FACT!

LOL

You're leveling though right? Ah come on, please tell me this is a level??!!

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: LuckyLloyd

You're leveling though right? Ah come on, please tell me this is a level??!!

Well maybe it was a bit of a level. But now you've posted Lloyd I don't know how it can be anymore.