Show vs Don't Show

[PocketLady]

If you never get caught bluffing, then you're not bluffing enough.

The times you get caught should be sufficient advertising.

True about the bluffing, but there might be a specific tournament where you haven't played the same people before, have had the goods everytime, and are not getting any action.  Can't advertise to people you've never played before.

[Royal Flush]

Can the mods discuss my post and decide if it was really necessary to delete it.

Cheers.

[david3103]

If you never get caught bluffing, then you're not bluffing enough.

The times you get caught should be sufficient advertising.

I like this.

I do get caught, generally when I make a steal attempt and run into AA in the big blind...

Can the mods discuss my post and decide if it was really necessary to delete it.

Cheers.

Now I'm curious!

[Royal Flush]

Thing is it wasn't even bad! I made (i think a quite amusing) a joke about tightend

[david3103]

Thing is it wasn't even bad! I made (i think a quite amusing) a joke about tightend

 

[EvilPie]

I will never show a bluff. When I say bluff I mean a hand where you know you're losing and make a big bet or raise because you know the other guy is weak and will fold a winning hand.

This to me is just bragging and makes you look like a fool. It just shows me that you're so proud of the fact you've made a bluff you obviously don't do it very often. Bluffing is excellent poker. Showing a bluff is poor poker.

What I will occasionally show is weak hands when I'm in shove mode with a short stack. These are not bluffs, they are steals and are a competely different thing as they still have a chance of winning even if they are called.

I do this because I want to open up my oppos calling ranges so that if i do get a weak ace I have a chance of being ahead if I get called. I also do this because I want my oppos to know that I am shoving atc and want a call. I want them to know that my range has widened significantly so they can widen their's as well.

This may sound silly to some but if I'm in shove mode it's because I want a call so that I can double up and have a chance to play a bit again. I don't mind taking a gamble when I'm short and I would rather my oppos open up their range rather than wait for something good which will have me in trouble.

I also find that once I get my double up and pull my range back in that people don't realise. This means that I can reraise with decent hands and have a chance of being called by weaker aces and lower pairs than they would normally need to call for their whole stack.

All they can remember is the idiot who was shoving his chips in and showing 72o who is obviously at it again.

The other ones I will show are where an oppo has made a big fold with a strong hand that I have beat. I like to make him feel good about his fold and let him know that I am not a bully. This might give me a chance to repeat the same betting pattern later when I don't have such a strong hand and hopefully get it through.

[AndrewT]

What I will occasionally show is weak hands when I'm in shove mode with a short stack. These are not bluffs, they are steals and are a competely different thing as they still have a chance of winning even if they are called.

I do this because I want to narrow my oppos calling ranges so that if i do get a weak ace I have a chance of being ahead if I get called. I also do this because I want my oppos to know that I am shoving atc and want a call. I want them to know that my range has narrowed significantly so they can narrow their's as well.

This may sound silly to some but if I'm in shove mode it's because I want a call so that I can double up and have a chance to play a bit again. I don't mind taking a gamble when I'm short and I would rather my oppos narrow their range rather than wait for something good which will have me in trouble.

I found this very confusing till I worked out that by 'narrow' you actually mean 'widen'.

[EvilPie]

What I will occasionally show is weak hands when I'm in shove mode with a short stack. These are not bluffs, they are steals and are a competely different thing as they still have a chance of winning even if they are called.

I do this because I want to narrow my oppos calling ranges so that if i do get a weak ace I have a chance of being ahead if I get called. I also do this because I want my oppos to know that I am shoving atc and want a call. I want them to know that my range has narrowed significantly so they can narrow their's as well.

This may sound silly to some but if I'm in shove mode it's because I want a call so that I can double up and have a chance to play a bit again. I don't mind taking a gamble when I'm short and I would rather my oppos narrow their range rather than wait for something good which will have me in trouble.

I found this very confusing till I worked out that by 'narrow' you actually mean 'widen'.

I think I'll edit that. 

[kinboshi]

What I will occasionally show is weak hands when I'm in shove mode with a short stack. These are not bluffs, they are steals and are a competely different thing as they still have a chance of winning even if they are called.

I do this because I want to narrow my oppos calling ranges so that if i do get a weak ace I have a chance of being ahead if I get called. I also do this because I want my oppos to know that I am shoving atc and want a call. I want them to know that my range has narrowed significantly so they can narrow their's as well.

This may sound silly to some but if I'm in shove mode it's because I want a call so that I can double up and have a chance to play a bit again. I don't mind taking a gamble when I'm short and I would rather my oppos narrow their range rather than wait for something good which will have me in trouble.

I found this very confusing till I worked out that by 'narrow' you actually mean 'widen'.

I think I'll edit that. 

I couldn't disagree less with your sentiments though.

[gatso]

Never show a bluff,bad move,upsets people.

and this is bad why?

[Royal Flush]

I will never show a bluff. When I say bluff I mean a hand where you know you're losing and make a big bet or raise because you know the other guy is weak and will fold a winning hand.

This to me is just bragging and makes you look like a fool. It just shows me that you're so proud of the fact you've made a bluff you obviously don't do it very often. Bluffing is excellent poker. Showing a bluff is poor poker.

What I will occasionally show is weak hands when I'm in shove mode with a short stack. These are not bluffs, they are steals and are a competely different thing as they still have a chance of winning even if they are called.

I do this because I want to open up my oppos calling ranges so that if i do get a weak ace I have a chance of being ahead if I get called. I also do this because I want my oppos to know that I am shoving atc and want a call. I want them to know that my range has widened significantly so they can widen their's as well.

This may sound silly to some but if I'm in shove mode it's because I want a call so that I can double up and have a chance to play a bit again. I don't mind taking a gamble when I'm short and I would rather my oppos open up their range rather than wait for something good which will have me in trouble.

I also find that once I get my double up and pull my range back in that people don't realise. This means that I can reraise with decent hands and have a chance of being called by weaker aces and lower pairs than they would normally need to call for their whole stack.

All they can remember is the idiot who was shoving his chips in and showing 72o who is obviously at it again.

The other ones I will show are where an oppo has made a big fold with a strong hand that I have beat. I like to make him feel good about his fold and let him know that I am not a bully. This might give me a chance to repeat the same betting pattern later when I don't have such a strong hand and hopefully get it through.

level?

[EvilPie]

I will never show a bluff. When I say bluff I mean a hand where you know you're losing and make a big bet or raise because you know the other guy is weak and will fold a winning hand.

This to me is just bragging and makes you look like a fool. It just shows me that you're so proud of the fact you've made a bluff you obviously don't do it very often. Bluffing is excellent poker. Showing a bluff is poor poker.

What I will occasionally show is weak hands when I'm in shove mode with a short stack. These are not bluffs, they are steals and are a competely different thing as they still have a chance of winning even if they are called.

I do this because I want to open up my oppos calling ranges so that if i do get a weak ace I have a chance of being ahead if I get called. I also do this because I want my oppos to know that I am shoving atc and want a call. I want them to know that my range has widened significantly so they can widen their's as well.

This may sound silly to some but if I'm in shove mode it's because I want a call so that I can double up and have a chance to play a bit again. I don't mind taking a gamble when I'm short and I would rather my oppos open up their range rather than wait for something good which will have me in trouble.

I also find that once I get my double up and pull my range back in that people don't realise. This means that I can reraise with decent hands and have a chance of being called by weaker aces and lower pairs than they would normally need to call for their whole stack.

All they can remember is the idiot who was shoving his chips in and showing 72o who is obviously at it again.

The other ones I will show are where an oppo has made a big fold with a strong hand that I have beat. I like to make him feel good about his fold and let him know that I am not a bully. This might give me a chance to repeat the same betting pattern later when I don't have such a strong hand and hopefully get it through.

level?

Which bit?

The not showing bluffs or showing crap hands wanting a call?

The last bit's comp dependant to be fair. I wouldn't be doing it if I had a lot of money invested but in the £50 - £100 tourneys that I usually play at DTD I often do this.

Online I never show a thing. Too many good players who know how to use info to their advantage. At DTD it's just a bit of fun and most won't call anyway. I've just found recently that letting people know that my range has changed once I've hit 10 big blinds works more often than it doesn't.

[Graham C]

Never show a bluff,bad move,upsets people.

and this is bad why?

If you don't know how or if you should adjust to showing someone a bluff then you're better off not showing. I think you'd need to know how they react or showing the bluff could come back to haunt you. 

[Royal Flush]

I will never show a bluff. When I say bluff I mean a hand where you know you're losing and make a big bet or raise because you know the other guy is weak and will fold a winning hand.

This to me is just bragging and makes you look like a fool. It just shows me that you're so proud of the fact you've made a bluff you obviously don't do it very often. Bluffing is excellent poker. Showing a bluff is poor poker.

What I will occasionally show is weak hands when I'm in shove mode with a short stack. These are not bluffs, they are steals and are a competely different thing as they still have a chance of winning even if they are called.

I do this because I want to open up my oppos calling ranges so that if i do get a weak ace I have a chance of being ahead if I get called. I also do this because I want my oppos to know that I am shoving atc and want a call. I want them to know that my range has widened significantly so they can widen their's as well.

This may sound silly to some but if I'm in shove mode it's because I want a call so that I can double up and have a chance to play a bit again. I don't mind taking a gamble when I'm short and I would rather my oppos open up their range rather than wait for something good which will have me in trouble.

I also find that once I get my double up and pull my range back in that people don't realise. This means that I can reraise with decent hands and have a chance of being called by weaker aces and lower pairs than they would normally need to call for their whole stack.

All they can remember is the idiot who was shoving his chips in and showing 72o who is obviously at it again.

The other ones I will show are where an oppo has made a big fold with a strong hand that I have beat. I like to make him feel good about his fold and let him know that I am not a bully. This might give me a chance to repeat the same betting pattern later when I don't have such a strong hand and hopefully get it through.

level?

Which bit?

The not showing bluffs or showing crap hands wanting a call?

The last bit's comp dependant to be fair. I wouldn't be doing it if I had a lot of money invested but in the £50 - £100 tourneys that I usually play at DTD I often do this.

Online I never show a thing. Too many good players who know how to use info to their advantage. At DTD it's just a bit of fun and most won't call anyway. I've just found recently that letting people know that my range has changed once I've hit 10 big blinds works more often than it doesn't.

The idea of shoving light when you are short is because you have FE, to then let your oppo's know you are shoving light defeats the purpose!

Making an oppo feel good about himself is also a bad idea, if they make a sick fold faceup just muck, they will be thinking about the hand for ages rather than thinking about the hands they are playing.

[EvilPie]

I will never show a bluff. When I say bluff I mean a hand where you know you're losing and make a big bet or raise because you know the other guy is weak and will fold a winning hand.

This to me is just bragging and makes you look like a fool. It just shows me that you're so proud of the fact you've made a bluff you obviously don't do it very often. Bluffing is excellent poker. Showing a bluff is poor poker.

What I will occasionally show is weak hands when I'm in shove mode with a short stack. These are not bluffs, they are steals and are a competely different thing as they still have a chance of winning even if they are called.

I do this because I want to open up my oppos calling ranges so that if i do get a weak ace I have a chance of being ahead if I get called. I also do this because I want my oppos to know that I am shoving atc and want a call. I want them to know that my range has widened significantly so they can widen their's as well.

This may sound silly to some but if I'm in shove mode it's because I want a call so that I can double up and have a chance to play a bit again. I don't mind taking a gamble when I'm short and I would rather my oppos open up their range rather than wait for something good which will have me in trouble.

I also find that once I get my double up and pull my range back in that people don't realise. This means that I can reraise with decent hands and have a chance of being called by weaker aces and lower pairs than they would normally need to call for their whole stack.

All they can remember is the idiot who was shoving his chips in and showing 72o who is obviously at it again.

The other ones I will show are where an oppo has made a big fold with a strong hand that I have beat. I like to make him feel good about his fold and let him know that I am not a bully. This might give me a chance to repeat the same betting pattern later when I don't have such a strong hand and hopefully get it through.

level?

Which bit?

The not showing bluffs or showing crap hands wanting a call?

The last bit's comp dependant to be fair. I wouldn't be doing it if I had a lot of money invested but in the £50 - £100 tourneys that I usually play at DTD I often do this.

Online I never show a thing. Too many good players who know how to use info to their advantage. At DTD it's just a bit of fun and most won't call anyway. I've just found recently that letting people know that my range has changed once I've hit 10 big blinds works more often than it doesn't.

The idea of shoving light when you are short is because you have FE, to then let your oppo's know you are shoving light defeats the purpose!

Making an oppo feel good about himself is also a bad idea, if they make a sick fold faceup just muck, they will be thinking about the hand for ages rather than thinking about the hands they are playing.

Yeah you're right on the shoving light one. Like I said it's very comp dependant and I do it when I desperately need a double up. Wouldn't be pratting about in a deepstack tourney with more at stake. Consider my wrist slapped.

I like the other one though. Not so much to make him feel good but to let him (and everyone else) know that if I'm reraising big I've got a lot of hand backing it up.

Just to check. All this stuff is classed as metagame? Is that right?