Art or Science ?

[WYSINWYG]

Artist + Year > starter for 10.

[bobAlike]

Artist + Year > starter for 10.

Damien Hurst 1992??

[bobAlike]

Artist + Year > starter for 10.

Damien Hurst 1992??

Pharmacy??

[WYSINWYG]

Artist + Year > starter for 10.

Damien Hurst 1992??

Pharmacy??

Correct, well done.

Unsure why that is art or commands such a fee. I did see it in situ, along with cows/fly zapper/lost lamb. I may play a game of heads up in the Tate Modern and then sell the exhibit for a couple of million...

[bobAlike]

Artist + Year > starter for 10.

Damien Hurst 1992??

Pharmacy??

Correct, well done.

Unsure why that is art or commands such a fee. I did see it in situ, along with cows/fly zapper/lost lamb. I may play a game of heads up in the Tate Modern and then sell the exhibit for a couple of million...

You might aswell one of the most recent displays was a crack in the floor!

[MANTIS01]

Art? Science? Neither! It's just a game, and a largely luck-based game at that.

Clearly the words of a man running bad. When you run good it is most certainly a game of skill.

[kinboshi]

Art? Science? Neither! It's just a game, and a largely luck-based game at that.

Clearly the words of a man running bad. When you run good it is most certainly a game of skill.

No, when I'm running good it's certainly a game of luck!

[WYSINWYG]

If it wasn't for luck I'd lose every hand. 

[FuglyBaz]

Poker imo is closer to a science than an art form.

The one game that gets closest to art form for me is Chess. Although I know some will argue that fencing can be considered as art too, but I will sit on the fence for that one

[ScottMGee]

You can teach a computer to play any game - does that mean any game is a science?

Pretty Much

[thetank]

Although I know some will argue that fencing can be considered as art too, but I will sit on the fence for that one

The gag doesn't work like that. Fence is the punchline so you can't use it for the set-up aswell.

Try replacing fencing with a synonym. Swordfighting perhaps?


So the new gag reads...

I know some will argue that swordfighting can be considered an art, but I will sit on the fence for that one.

Read the old and the new aloud to yourself. Which sounds better?


Remember, cheesy puns are a science.

[FuglyBaz]

Although I know some will argue that fencing can be considered as art too, but I will sit on the fence for that one

The gag doesn't work like that. Fence is the punchline so you can't use it for the set-up aswell.

Try replacing fencing with a synonym. Swordfighting perhaps?


So the new gag reads...

I know some will argue that swordfighting can be considered an art, but I will sit on the fence for that one.

Read the old and the new aloud to yourself. Which sounds better?


Remember, cheesy puns are a science.

Can I use the excuse that i am on life tilt and havet slept in 48 hours please?

I was gonna mention as well:-

You cant teach a computer to play every game. A computer doesnt play chess when you play it, it calculates the best position in middlegame and endgames working many moves ahead. But it cannot interpret tactics and understad simple moves sometimes (2nd game of Kasparov v Deep Blue in 1997 for example). Without databases of over 2,000,000 games chess programs would be useless as they would have no idea on how to play openings.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that computers can be taught how to play games but they cannot play them well all of the time. Sorry for rambling on about chess on a poker forum

Oh and Cheesy puns FTMFW

[thetank]

I wouldn't worry about it. Chess is very similar game to poker in several respects. Also, many of the posters here are pretty decent chess players.


Personally I'm fascinated that a luck element exists in chess, even though it is a game of complete information.

Not just your opponent missing an important move or something like that, but the luck factor coming into play in your own moves too.

The human mind bing unable to extrapolate a given middlegame position into it's exponentially numerous consequences. A lot of the moves will be largely based on positional understanding and feel. The realtive likelyhood of the later consequences of many moves, even at the GM level, are unknown when the move is played.



When people are bemoaning their bad luck at cards, you will often here someone say something like, "you want a game with no luck where the best player wins all the time, go play chess."

It's a pet hate of mine. Why have more than two games to decide the world champion if this were true?

[FuglyBaz]

I wouldn't worry about it. Chess is very similar game to poker in several respects. Also, many of the posters here are pretty decent chess players.

Personally I'm fascinated that a luck element exists in chess, even though it is a game of complete information.

Not just your opponent missing an important move or something like that, but the luck factor coming into play in your own moves too.

The human mind bing unable to extrapolate a given middlegame position into it's exponentially numerous consequences. A lot of the moves will be largely based on positional understanding and feel. The realtive likelyhood of the later consequences of many moves, even at the GM level, are unknown when the move is played.

When people are bemoaning their bad luck at cards, you will often here someone say something like, "you want a game with no luck where the best player wins all the time, go play chess."

It's a pet hate of mine. Why have more than two games to decide the world champion if this were true?

I'll be honest I haven't heard that saying as frequently but I have heard it.

Thats very true what you say about the luck. I'm only rated about 1400 (not bad for only 8 weks of pla I guess) and will say luck doesnt just come with the end position, but also with things like discovered attacks that you dont see. I dont know whether it is ignorance or bad luck to miss a forking opportunity, but things like that play a part too.

I always assumed the WC was played over one game till I actually started plaing chess. Its such a great game, and if I could become a GM or a least an expert I would work my arse off towards it. At least the only money I spend that way is on books, rather than potentially losing loads over the felt

[ScottMGee]

Oxford dictionary definition of luck -

luck

  • noun 1 success or failure apparently brought by chance. 2 chance considered as a force causing success or failure. 3 good fortune.

  • verb informal 1 (luck into/upon) chance to find or acquire. 2 (luck out) N. Amer. succeed due to good luck.

Not sure how chess fits into this.