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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2008, 08:08:38 PM »

Baz I don't like your starting hand not your raise size which is fine. Also Jacks man calls because you are tight and raise from ep so you are representing a big hand. Then you check the flop. If the turn bet was like 150 it would go with your flop check much better but much better not to bet the 9 at all imo.

So in very short terms the player is calling to set mine and fold if he doesnt hit? I'm just checkeng my understanding is correct really.

Thanks to you and the others for being constructive in your advice too. Much better than the sarcasm or lack of explanation there has been in previous threads Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2008, 08:23:58 PM »

I don't think he's calling to hit a set Baz. He's calling because that's how he wants to play his Jacks against your ep raise. He may well have decided to raise if you were sitting on the button.
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2008, 08:35:42 PM »

I don't think he's calling to hit a set Baz. He's calling because that's how he wants to play his Jacks against your ep raise. He may well have decided to raise if you were sitting on the button.

The way you have explained this, and the mixed signals strat etc makes a lot of sense. I dont want to sound meodramatic over one hand but perhaps Im just not equipped for poker, because I just cant change my way of thinking with my autism. Its kind of strange but in life as well as poker I seem to be always playing the level game "I know that you know that I know that you know etc etc". That isnt healthy in normal life so I changed my thinking but poker changed with it. i cant split the two.

Sound dumb to anyone? lol
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2008, 11:27:17 PM »

You can only have a set of 10's if you're big. Other than that you missed and he won't believe a 9 helped you. If you bet the turn you might just get raised out of principle because your bet is so unbelievable. So where does betting actually get you?

Err it gets you into a higly profitable situation.....oppo cr's weaker hands like 77 88 etc to protect and cr bluffs a lot, thats a pretty sick spot to be in, why would you not bet?
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2008, 10:01:43 AM »

You can only have a set of 10's if you're big. Other than that you missed and he won't believe a 9 helped you. If you bet the turn you might just get raised out of principle because your bet is so unbelievable. So where does betting actually get you?

Err it gets you into a higly profitable situation.....oppo cr's weaker hands like 77 88 etc to protect and cr bluffs a lot, thats a pretty sick spot to be in, why would you not bet?

You are right of course. But then again you are 99% certain of where you are in the hand. So it would be stupid not to bet if you are so sure you are ahead. For those not so sure, playing big pots with your big hands and small pots with your small hands is a good mantra. I don't really want to gamble my stack with A-9 second pair. You are making poker pretty difficult for yourself if you are putting yourself in situations where you are pushing your stack in with a marginal hand because you are sure your oppo will pay you off with a slightly worse maginal hand.
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2008, 04:25:03 PM »

You can only have a set of 10's if you're big. Other than that you missed and he won't believe a 9 helped you. If you bet the turn you might just get raised out of principle because your bet is so unbelievable. So where does betting actually get you?

Err it gets you into a higly profitable situation.....oppo cr's weaker hands like 77 88 etc to protect and cr bluffs a lot, thats a pretty sick spot to be in, why would you not bet?

You are right of course. But then again you are 99% certain of where you are in the hand. So it would be stupid not to bet if you are so sure you are ahead. For those not so sure, playing big pots with your big hands and small pots with your small hands is a good mantra. I don't really want to gamble my stack with A-9 second pair. You are making poker pretty difficult for yourself if you are putting yourself in situations where you are pushing your stack in with a marginal hand because you are sure your oppo will pay you off with a slightly worse maginal hand.

Poker ain't an easy game!
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2008, 05:26:28 PM »

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Poker ain't an easy game!

Indeed. The guy had Jacks.
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2008, 05:29:55 PM »

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Poker ain't an easy game!

Indeed. The guy had Jacks.

It's ok to get outplayed now and then!
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2008, 05:38:31 PM »

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It's ok to get outplayed now and then!

Don't know much about the subject tbh.
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