Chess discussion.

[kinboshi]

Playing against computers, or even unknowingly against other strong players (i.e. someone plays against two strong players, black on one board, white on the other and copies the moves of this opponents  - so effectively playing the same game from each side) is a problem with internet chess. 

have you seen the Derren Brown episode Kin where he plays 8 grand masters simultaneously?

No, does he cheat?

I remember a Hercule Poirot story where someone plays two Grand Masters on a train in separate carriages and gets a draw in both.  They were essentially playing each other, but good old Hercule sussed it.

[TheChipPrince]

Playing against computers, or even unknowingly against other strong players (i.e. someone plays against two strong players, black on one board, white on the other and copies the moves of this opponents  - so effectively playing the same game from each side) is a problem with internet chess. 

have you seen the Derren Brown episode Kin where he plays 8 grand masters simultaneously?

No, does he cheat?

I remember a Hercule Poirot story where someone plays two Grand Masters on a train in separate carriages and gets a draw in both.  They were essentially playing each other, but good old Hercule sussed it.

Correction its actually 9...  He sits them in a sort of hexagon shape, so even though there is panels in front of each opponent, they are essentially opposite another player. He then remembers the moves from each player, then when he gets around to the 'opposite' player, plays that move, so really its a memory thing rather than chess... But he does beat 1 fair and square essentially, because obviously he can only pair '4 v 4'...

Dont think ive explained that very well...

[Jon MW]

Playing against computers, or even unknowingly against other strong players (i.e. someone plays against two strong players, black on one board, white on the other and copies the moves of this opponents  - so effectively playing the same game from each side) is a problem with internet chess. 

have you seen the Derren Brown episode Kin where he plays 8 grand masters simultaneously?

No, does he cheat?

I remember a Hercule Poirot story where someone plays two Grand Masters on a train in separate carriages and gets a draw in both.  They were essentially playing each other, but good old Hercule sussed it.

IIRC this is indeed the trick that Derren Brown was doing - just on a bigger scale

[TheChipPrince]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evZmpsl3jI0

[kinboshi]

Playing against computers, or even unknowingly against other strong players (i.e. someone plays against two strong players, black on one board, white on the other and copies the moves of this opponents  - so effectively playing the same game from each side) is a problem with internet chess. 

have you seen the Derren Brown episode Kin where he plays 8 grand masters simultaneously?

No, does he cheat?

I remember a Hercule Poirot story where someone plays two Grand Masters on a train in separate carriages and gets a draw in both.  They were essentially playing each other, but good old Hercule sussed it.

Correction its actually 9...  He sits them in a sort of hexagon shape, so even though there is panels in front of each opponent, they are essentially opposite another player. He then remembers the moves from each player, then when he gets around to the 'opposite' player, plays that move, so really its a memory thing rather than chess... But he does beat 1 fair and square essentially, because obviously he can only pair '4 v 4'...

Dont think ive explained that very well...

You think he'd beat a Grand Master fair and square?

[TheChipPrince]

Playing against computers, or even unknowingly against other strong players (i.e. someone plays against two strong players, black on one board, white on the other and copies the moves of this opponents  - so effectively playing the same game from each side) is a problem with internet chess. 

have you seen the Derren Brown episode Kin where he plays 8 grand masters simultaneously?

No, does he cheat?

I remember a Hercule Poirot story where someone plays two Grand Masters on a train in separate carriages and gets a draw in both.  They were essentially playing each other, but good old Hercule sussed it.

Correction its actually 9...  He sits them in a sort of hexagon shape, so even though there is panels in front of each opponent, they are essentially opposite another player. He then remembers the moves from each player, then when he gets around to the 'opposite' player, plays that move, so really its a memory thing rather than chess... But he does beat 1 fair and square essentially, because obviously he can only pair '4 v 4'...

Dont think ive explained that very well...

You think he'd beat a Grand Master fair and square?

watch the clip, i think its a GM, he beats him somehow...

[kinboshi]

Playing against computers, or even unknowingly against other strong players (i.e. someone plays against two strong players, black on one board, white on the other and copies the moves of this opponents  - so effectively playing the same game from each side) is a problem with internet chess. 

have you seen the Derren Brown episode Kin where he plays 8 grand masters simultaneously?

No, does he cheat?

I remember a Hercule Poirot story where someone plays two Grand Masters on a train in separate carriages and gets a draw in both.  They were essentially playing each other, but good old Hercule sussed it.

Correction its actually 9...  He sits them in a sort of hexagon shape, so even though there is panels in front of each opponent, they are essentially opposite another player. He then remembers the moves from each player, then when he gets around to the 'opposite' player, plays that move, so really its a memory thing rather than chess... But he does beat 1 fair and square essentially, because obviously he can only pair '4 v 4'...

Dont think ive explained that very well...

You think he'd beat a Grand Master fair and square?

watch the clip, i think its a GM, he beats him somehow...

Not fairly through outplaying him at chess I'd be willing to bet your bollocks on.

[sovietsong]

I'm shocked that none of the chess players figured out that he wasn't actually playing his own moves!

[Jon MW]

I'm shocked that none of the chess players figured out that he wasn't actually playing his own moves!

One of the main skills of a magician/illusionist is misdirection - so people don't notice what you're really doing.

That's where his skill lies.

[gatso]

anyone know how he beat no. 9?

[kinboshi]

anyone know how he beat no. 9?

Number of options - hypnotism, the player lost on purpose (he paid him off), he wasn't a grand master, etc.  Same way he does his other tricks.

[mondatoo]

anyone know how he beat no. 9?

Coz he was crap and derren whipped his ass

[gatso]

anyone know how he beat no. 9?

Coz he was crap and derren whipped his ass

no, he was the worst but wasn't crap. and he says something about having played a gm before and db being as good/better doesn't he?

[mondatoo]

anyone know how he beat no. 9?

Coz he was crap and derren whipped his ass

no, he was the worst but wasn't crap. and he says something about having played a gm before and db being as good/better doesn't he?

He said that just to make himself look good.I woulda beat his ass.SShhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[thetank]

Think the solution is simple.

He could have mirrored one of the better gms game against two opponents rather than one.