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« on: September 23, 2008, 03:43:21 PM »

Hey

Thought i'd throw my stats out there to gather some feedback as to how I am playing at NL50 FR. 30k hands in now and it's been a big change for a primarly donkament player who dabbled in 6max games every now and then.


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I feel I have adjusted to the game well and am now comfortable enough to start out turning a decent profit.

If anyone has any comments or criticisms they'd be much appreciated.



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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2008, 03:44:11 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2008, 04:58:03 PM »

The general preference is to have the pfr a bit nearer to the vpip as a ratio. So you are playing 18/15 or 15/12 not 18/12, but i know this style works for some people. In fact im sure smart_money (used to post on here) stats were something like that and he made more money at full ring than just about anyone else.

Your won $ at showdown looks really low (maybe running bad) this number is normally alot nearer  or over 50 in my experience.

Positionally i think you should loosen up a bit more from the button, especially more isolation raises, 24/15 is a bit weak passive imo. As a trade off maybe tighten up from mid position. While it is obvious you understand position, most good players stats are more widely spread by position. Sb completion of 33 looks a bit high to me as well.

I maybe a bit off with my conclusions here as im used to 6max and haven't played full ring cash in an age.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2008, 05:42:40 PM »

$ won at showdown should be higher , i remember tillerman saying anything under 50 and he treats them as a target
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 12:40:14 PM »

I've mostly been playing 6 max this year but I used to run 18/13 FR, smart money was 18/5ish I think. Games might have changed a lot since then.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 12:41:52 PM »

I've mostly been playing 6 max this year but I used to run 18/13 FR, smart money was 18/5ish I think. Games might have changed a lot since then.

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 05:18:39 PM »

it looks like post flop you are trying to play a laggy style, ie, your W$when saw flop is 40% which is pretty high, and your won $ at show down is atrocious, which is also a typical sign of super lags. This is because they make so much money in non-showdown pots that it gives them coverage to play their draws like a hammer, and obv when your draws get it in on the flop, they dont win 50% or so of the time. SO, that is okay


the problem i see is that your preflop play doesn't mirror this, you are playing far too passive around the button, your money won should normally steadily rise from UTG all the way up to the button, but yours is close to a flatline until you reach the cutoff, and then it drops markedly. Obviously your cold calling % should increase as you approach the button as you can call with hands, in position relative to the PFR, and try and find 2 ways to win the pot, but when you are playing hands that passively preflop, it makes it a lot harder to win pots post flop via brute force, because the pots are going to be multi-way a lot more often.

I'd try and align your VPIP/PFR a lot more in late position, drop that hammer, raise it up, cold call less,  and then play aggro post flop.. its a hell of a lot easier to win without showdown when theres only 1 or 2 people seeing an inflated pot, OR, if you are going to play preflop passively, then I'd play postflop more passively, when you get draws, dont be so keen to just slam it in. Obviously dont be weak tight, but if you are going to play like you do preflop, its too hard to have a high winrate playing as you seemingly do postflop, and vice versa.

The disconnect between your pre and postflop stats is probably why you aren't winning as you should, so take a look at your postflop play in detail, specifically around the button, and do the same for preflop, try and identify spots where you could either play more aggro preflop, or less aggro post flop, and align the two styles so that you aren't trying to battle too much to connect the two.

Also, your stats shouldn't really start off with you losing money UTG and then climbing slowly. Obviously you can be running bad, the sample isn't that huge, but EP you aren't forced to pay a blind, so you can just fold 100% of your hands and have a win-rate of zero, and given the bad position, your range UTG should be so tight that the relative strength of your hand should easily negate any positional dis-advantage. Only winning 25% of the time suggests that you are probably running bad, but it also suggests that, given you only play 9% of your hands from that postion, you are likely not folding enough when its probably quite clear you are beat, so take a look at all the hands you lost at showdown from UTG, see if you are flopping too many top pair hands/overpairs that are getting turned over, and see if there aren't a couple of spots you can find that should indicate that you should fold before you get to showdown.

kinda rambling, but hope this helps some




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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2008, 08:14:13 PM »

att to steal blinds should be higher. (really trying to increase this will make you a muuuuuch better player)
gap between vpvip and pfr is a little too big.
aggro factor is too low.


basically, just open up a lot lighter from last 3 spots, isolate limpers more and cbet dryer boards more= dudah, you are now crushing!

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